grampa Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 He has a facebook account Dave baker Blackjax camo and lives in Cambridge, Lowa Birchbark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grampa Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Lock the library to non members and have a copyright warning on the header also a minimum of 10 post before downloading any patterns if that's possible.......Paul sullyscroller, Rob Roy, Lucky2 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 I thought the library was only available to members anyway so I say Lock it down. Lucky2 and sullyscroller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullyscroller Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 My vote is for locking it down as well. Most of my patterns are of the Lord so i want them out there BUT not for profit !!! sully Lucky2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Lock the library I say....But then heaven help us it may be a member or past member I really hope not. Locking the library wood only slow them down, they wood only become a member and start all over again. ***Merlin*** I'm with Merlin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loftyhermes Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 If you look through his ebay shop http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Black-Jax-Custom-Stencilsand go through the categories there are a lot of patterns that I recognise as being in the library and I think from other forums as well. I agree that the library should be only available to members with a certain number of posts, maybe 10, 15 or more. Maybe pattern central could be made private as well, I don't know the answer to this problem, just offering suggestions to combat it, It would not be a good thing if this behaviour made the pattern makers stop doing what they do on here, I for one appreciate all the time and effort they put in. happy scrolling Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWSUDEKUM Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Lock the library to members only, that will work but it is kind of locking the barn after the horses got out. Anyway of having 2 libraries? One with a limited number of " starter " patterns available and the main one available only after the required posts have been made? Just wondering... DW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birchbark Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 All of those ideas are just like giving everyone a key to the store. Not gonna work. It will keep the honest, honest. This, Dave baker Blackjax camo and lives in Cambridge, Lowa, is not gonna care. He has already made an account here probably. Ebay and trash him. Leave neg feedback. Go to as many other forums as possible and tell everyone what a thief Black Jax Stencils is. Go to airbrush forums and trash his business practices. Explain on Pintrest where he gets his patterns. Explain on Facebook how he finds his images. Explain on art sites how they had better beware of Black Jax Stencils for stealing the artwork on that site, etc. When you google his name in six months it will show what a thief this guy is. I don't see asking him to pull your work is going to help. The guy is an A$$, he only plays one way. I'm gonna ask him nicely to pull my stuff. If he doesn't then i am not messing with him. Simple. Russell I was hoping to tag this post with his company name, but don't see a way. All my new patterns will be tagged to reflect my feelings about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 I registered a complaint with eBay so they'll need access to the pictures. But I think I'll lock down the Pattern Library in a week or so. I won't put any post restrictions on the access the library. But locking the library will keep people from doing a Google Image Search and stealing patterns that way. Plus, anybody who wants a pattern will have to agree with the Terms Of Service before accessing the library. It won't stop people from stealing patterns, but it may deter some if they have to jump through a bunch of hoops first. This guy is a jerk and I'm done dealing with him. I don't have a legal department to pursue this. Hopefully, he didn't steal from Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts forum. I know for a fact they have a legal department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragax Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 Im with the rest of the crew, lock it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grampa Posted April 7, 2015 Report Share Posted April 7, 2015 This is there copyright protection of are patterns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddy_tindell Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I don't have the skills required to make patterns...so I don't really have a dog in this fight. But hate to see the patterns stolen and for our pattern makers to get mad and stop posting patterns. I say do what you have to do to protect our own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWSUDEKUM Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 This is there copyright protection of are patterns Yes both from the US and International. Paul you do have to remember though that this area of law is very convoluted and is not straight forward and clear. There are attorneys that make a living doing nothing but copyright law it is that confusing. Go to http://copyright.gov/ for the copyright law in the US. The basic problem with copyright law is that it was written originally long before there was things like electronic files and computers and file sharing. Coverage for these things and the rest were shoehorned into the older law and some of the language is confusing ( ahhh... most of it ) However long story short - Title 17 US code is the relevant section for copyright. DW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky2 Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hopefully, he didn't steal from Scroll Saw Woodworking & Crafts forum. I know for a fact they have a legal department. Travis, I'd like to change a bit the wording of this statement of yours. The way I see it is; "Hopefully, he DID steal from SSW&C forum simply because they do have a legal dept, and may possibly go after this jerk. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the corner Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I think Travis is right in locking the pattern site only to members only . Leaving it the way it is will only bring on more theft of patterns and who needs that when hours are spent designing them .Some people have more nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirithorse Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Here is the first reply I got from my complaint to e-Bay. I hope Paul, Travis, Charles Dearing and a few others fill out the form and hamper this guys business on e-bay. To fill out an NOCI, please go to the following link: http://pages.ebay.com/vero/notice.html On that page, please click on the link for "Notice of Claimed Infringement" within the first paragraph. This will take you to the DocuSign process, which will allow you to fill out and sign an NOCI electronically after you authenticate your email address. If you need any help filling out the form, you are more than welcome to contact us by phone at 1-866-322-9106.If you are reporting work that was copied from someone else, they would need to fill out the NOCI form in order to report the listings to us. They could also authorize you to report on their behalf, but in that case you would need to provide us with the NOCI form and a signed letter of authorization from the rights owner. If you have any additional questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us again. Thank you for contacting the VeRO Program. Sincerely, Alexis V.eBay VeRO Team Rob Roy and LarryEA 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatie Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 I was under the impression that the library was already locked to all but members, so as far as I am concerned LOCK IT. It's not just past patterns that are in danger of being stolen it is future patterns also, which means pattern makers would be less likely to offer any more of their hard work up for free, or at all. Marg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Gilbert Posted April 8, 2015 Report Share Posted April 8, 2015 Hey yall, i contacted the seller last night, and i just sent ebay an email.... its copyright@ebay.com I have a few patterns here, used to be under the name cjwoodcrafts.. i was notified about the ebay seller in one of the fb groups i joined i looked and voila there were patterns that i made and knew the other patterns came from here too. Travis, Thanks for posting this, and giving links to report, yall have a great day, and lets try to stop this dude on ebay, email or call ebay.... Jim G. courdorygirl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirithorse Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Does anybody know yet what sites this Dave Baker has joined to gain access to these patterns?I received another e-mail from e-Bay and they want me to fill out another VERO form with info about what type of copyright infringement is involved, i.e. Software offfered for sale, Counterfeit items, e0bay olisting contains unlawful copy of copyrighted image, etc. I replied that I already filled out the necessary form, explained the complaint to e-Bay, and they are making it more difficult for the copyright holder than they are for their dishonest seller !! Now I just want to expose this guy to anyone he has contact with. God Bless! Spirithorse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aubec Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 Not sure what sites this Dave Baker has joined but I have put the details of the Ebay shop in a few scroll saw groups over on Facebook to expose this person further. Also noticed that JimGilbert has done the same in one of the groups I am a member of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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