Dave Monk Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) I glued up a plaque today with a lot of fretwork on it. There are a couple of loose pieces on it. I have an 18 gauge nail gun and I thought about shooting them from the back side but I would cry if they split. Any ideas? dave Edited September 23, 2016 by Dave Monk GPscroller and lawson56 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Can you get a little super glue in there? I don't think I would risk the nail gun. Besides splitting, what if you missed and came through in one of the fretwork voids? Rob Lucky2 and Dave Monk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgman Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Can you show a picture so we can assess it better? Lucky2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrolling Steve Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 A 23 gauge pin nailer maybe , but not the 18 gauge .........Good luck ! Dave Monk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 If you get little glue under the loose piece(s) would be great. What did you glue it down with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Monk Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Glued down with Tite Bond 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Jourdan Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I just use a touch of CA glue for those little pieces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ike Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 GLUE IT WITH TIGHTBOND ike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky2 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Dave, I find for fixing this type of cutting, that Gel-type CA glue can be my best friend. Maybe that would work for you, it has to be the gel type though. Len Dave Monk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitty0312 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I wouldn't try to nail it..... Dave Monk and SCROLLSAW703 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsN Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I would use some superglue to get the pieces stuck down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Love the cutting by the way. Did you come up with that design? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye10 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I agree with others CA glue would be my choice. I think everyone should have a 23 gauge pin nailer. You can even nail things temporarily together and take them apart again. SCROLLSAW703 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I vote Titebond II wood glue also. Not sure what your finish of choice is but sometimes with CA it will leave a glazed spot and may stand out. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 a pin nailer is nice but no risk with glue I glued up a plaque today with a lot of fretwork on it. There are a couple of loose pieces on it. I have an 18 gauge nail gun and I thought about shooting them from the back side but I would cry if they split. Any ideas? dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawson56 Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 To The Nail Gun Tight Bond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC Scroller Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Dave as many have stated CA glue (aka Super Glue) is the only good option at this point. You have loose pieces because some of the plaque did not get glue applied to it when you did the glue up. Now let me suggest a better way to glue to prevent that from happening again. This is a trick I learn from Dirk Boelman many years ago. Get yourself one of those 1" painting trim rollers. The cheapie kind. They can be had at Lowes, Home Depot, your local hardware, and even Walmart. Also get a length of black foam pipe insulation. The diameter of which will fit over the wheel the paint roller sleeve is on. Replace the paint roller sleeve with a like length of the pipe insulation. Then when you need to do a glue up squirt some glue (any brand wood glue) on a piece of wax paper. Roll the foam applicator in the glue and then roll the glue onto the back of the piece. You want a nice even coat. Be generous but don't glob it on. Just like paining a wall with paint. After coating the back wait 2-3 minutes for it to start to tack up and them clamp your pieces together. After the glue sets nothing will come apart or be loose. The foam roller can be used 100's of times before replacing. You can clean it with a wet paper towel immediately after use or after a couple uses peel the dried glue from the roller. I prefer the latter method of cleaning. Let me know if you want some pictures. Dave Monk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meflick Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Dave as many have stated CA glue (aka Super Glue) is the only good option at this point. You have loose pieces because some of the plaque did not get glue applied to it when you did the glue up. Now let me suggest a better way to glue to prevent that from happening again. This is a trick I learn from Dirk Boelman many years ago. Get yourself one of those 1" painting trim rollers. The cheapie kind. They can be had at Lowes, Home Depot, your local hardware, and even Walmart. Also get a length of black foam pipe insulation. The diameter of which will fit over the wheel the paint roller sleeve is on. Replace the paint roller sleeve with a like length of the pipe insulation. Then when you need to do a glue up squirt some glue (any brand wood glue) on a piece of wax paper. Roll the foam applicator in the glue and then roll the glue onto the back of the piece. You want a nice even coat. Be generous but don't glob it on. Just like paining a wall with paint. After coating the back wait 2-3 minutes for it to start to tack up and them clamp your pieces together. After the glue sets nothing will come apart or be loose. The foam roller can be used 100's of times before replacing. You can clean it with a wet paper towel immediately after use or after a couple uses peel the dried glue from the roller. I prefer the latter method of cleaning. Let me know if you want some pictures. Dave - not enough experience to give you insight but I would agree not sure I would try the nail gun. It is a beautiful piece of work and would hate to see you have to start again. Scott - Thanks for passing on this great idea from Dirk. I will have to try and remember to get the supplies and give it a try. SCROLLSAW703 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPscroller Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 You have lots of advise on fixing the problem Dave, I just wanted to compliment you on the mighty fine job you did on the cutting :thumbs: :thumbs: Has to be a wedding present and I am sure it will be cherished. Where did you get the pattern? Jeff Dave Monk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 Just another tip along the roller tip lines is to use a sponge. Whenever I need to glue a backboard to a piece I use a sponge. One of the real sponges and not a plastic one. I put some glue on a piece of wax paper and dab the sponge in and then dab the back of the project piece making sure not to get too much glue in the fret work edges. You can easily even it out by dabbing. Use it all the time. When done snip that section of sponge off and good to go for next time and no clean up needed. If you had a real large piece the roller is probably a better idea but for small projects a sponge works too. SCROLLSAW703 and Dave Monk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Debi Shipman Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 The question is are the loose pieces loose enough to get the glue under? If they are I'd go with the titebond and a toothpick or something, if not CA so it can run under. (or use a syringe.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted September 24, 2016 Report Share Posted September 24, 2016 I vote for gel CA glue, applied judiciously with a toothpick or something similar, if possible. A 23 ga pin mailer might work, but it would be a last resort and only if it were loose enough to compromise the bond. If it's just a loose spot, but otherwise the back is secure, I'd probably just leave it alone if I couldn't get a little glue in there. I like the idea for the roller. I read about this once before and wanted to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Monk Posted September 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 Got er done. This was the first job that I used a sponge roller to apply the glue. Usually I use a tiny glue bottle. I guess I was too stingy with the glue. I guess I have always been a rebel and do things a bit different. I tried using glue and was worried about making a mess out of it. I took a 1/32" drill bit and found a 1/2" brad that was a touche bigger. I was very careful in measuring. Nothing cracked or broke so I am totally pleased. Thanks to all of you for your comments. dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 25, 2016 Report Share Posted September 25, 2016 I only heard about the small paint roller way of applying glue and I love it. No more glue oozing out from under the piece and exposing itself on the backer board. and everything gets the right amount of glue. I use the cloth rollers and wash them in the sink when i finish my glue ups.. I caught this trick somewhere during the answer session of a familiar question someone had posted awhile back. I love this forum. I am always learning something here Dick heppnerguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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