Sam777 Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Hello all, This may be a stupid question: Does having floaters in a plaque or other patterns mean you need a backer? Thanks Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 That's one way of looking at it,yes.in my understanding if you don't want to change anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Sam, A floater is a piece that is going to fall out when it is cut.. One could glue it back in place if they have cut it and it fell out. But it is really up to the pattern designer to make sure he or she does not have a floater in their patterns. If you have watched me as I start my pattern efforts, I have not done very well in catching my floater. Luckily, I have a lot of good friends here in the village that help me by pointing out my errors and then I can go back and correct them. If you look at me Renaissance pattern and look at the eyelid on your right and the statues left side you can see an example of a floater, I am not proud of that but I just have not taken a moment to correct it. I will leave that one that way to help others understand this same question that you have, as I am NOT going to enter it in the pattern library anyway. It just is not a pattern that I like the outcome of and do not wish it to be in the library a year from now with my name on it... Dick heppnerguy Rob Roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thank you Dick But if the pattern has a many intentional floaters how would someone place correctly on a backer? Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birchbark Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 Eyeball it with no glue, mark around it where it looks good. Take it off, glue inside the marks, put the floater back on, add weight and wait. Russell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted January 16, 2017 Report Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Russell nailed it there....maybe nailed it is not a good choice of words here... but there are not many patterns that have intentional floaters... usually one can leave a space in a line to correct it and the space really isn't noticed when looking at the piece.. Take a look at almost any scroll saw pattern and you can see what I am referring to. Sam, take a look at this pattern that Birchbark made last week I made some little arrows to show you how the little broken lines keep this pattern from becoming nothing but a silhouette hole. There are probably 30 or more breaks in the lines in this pattern.. Take a good look at it and see how many broken lines there actually are in it. You see, at first they are not even noticeable until you really look closely. They take nothing away from the pattern but rather make it a good pattern. One of these left out, could change things a lot and suddenly you have a big hole and are trying to salvage the piece by gluing it back in place. Dick heppnerguy Edited January 16, 2017 by heppnerguy Rob Roy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandaideman Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 if it is a floater just floating in space but you want it to be part of the pattern I have looked for where i could draw in an attachment to the rest of the pattern so it will not fall out. That can be difficult sometimes if not done carefully it could ruin the affect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worbler Posted January 17, 2017 Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 If the floater needs to be somewhere specific, like a logo or something, then put the waste back in, glue the floater and remove the waste. Fish and Lucky2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 Russell nailed it there....maybe nailed it is not a good choice of words here... but there are not many patterns that have intentional floaters... usually one can leave a space in a line to correct it and the space really isn't noticed when looking at the piece.. Take a look at almost any scroll saw pattern and you can see what I am referring to. Sam, take a look at this pattern that Birchbark made last week I made some little arrows to show you how the little broken lines keep this pattern from becoming nothing but a silhouette hole. There are probably 30 or more breaks in the lines in this pattern.. Take a good look at it and see how many broken lines there actually are in it. You see, at first they are not even noticeable until you really look closely. They take nothing away from the pattern but rather make it a good pattern. One of these left out, could change things a lot and suddenly you have a big hole and are trying to salvage the piece by gluing it back in place. Dick heppnerguy Thank you Dick, I see your arrows. Thank you for pointing them out. I understand your point. Thanks sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2017 If the floater needs to be somewhere specific, like a logo or something, then put the waste back in, glue the floater and remove the waste. Aha, That is a good way to keep the floater in place. Thank you Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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