I have a theory

[orangeman]

I've been doing a great show in an unnamed city for 4 years now. Some artists don't get invited back despite having nice work. Other artists have been doing the show for 15 years!

 

The show includes state, county, and city tax forms and tax is due several weeks after the show by mailing directly to the state and to the county/city.

 

I know some artists fudge their sales for tax purposes. Some artists who don't have a "good" year don't get invited back the next year.

 

I inquired about the jury process and was told each year there is a different jury and they come from all parts of the country.

 

I think there is more to the jury process and selection. Sure, I think the jury ranks the applicants and then submits the results to the show sponsor. Then I think there are other many other factors which decide acceptance.

 

I am convinced that the show sponsor looks at reported sales via the tax forms submitted. And if reported sales don't meet a minimum value for returning applicants then I think they don't get invited back.

 

Just a theory. Comments welcome.

[SCROLLSAW703]

Ya know Mr. Brian, I've had that same theory & thoughts, too. My wife spent some time trying to get in touch with the sponser of a show we were interested in. She sent us the paperwork, etc. We sent our entry fee back to them, pictures, etc. A couple weeks later, she sends me an email telling me my work was not good enough for their show, or the community. Being deeply offended at this, I waited a few days before I took any action. Finally, I made up my mind to send her a return email. I explained to her I was offended by her comments from her jury about my work. I also told her I'm not a beginner at this, I've 25 years experience in scrolling & woodworking. If my work wasn't good enough, what is? I never got an answer, but apperantly stayed on their email list, because she keeps sending me applications for their shows. I refuse to lower myself to such folks, & or their nonsense!

[Scrappile]

Humm Humm Humm, Ha Ha Ha, would not surprise me one bit.  It's all about the tax revenue....  

[trackman]

Taxes? Who pays taxes on cash money?

[orangeman]

Taxes? Who pays taxes on cash money?

I can't believe you would write such a thing on a public board. Invitation for the tax man to pay a visit !

 

Well  I do pay taxes on the tax money I collect at shows!  When I collect taxes on a sale I will definitely report it and pay the tax! There is no statue of limitations on tax fraud!

 

Last show I had a lady pay in cash and didn't want to pay sales tax because she was paying in cash. I told her I had to collect the sales tax according to the law and pay it PLUS I had to buy a business license to boot. She still purchased from me.

 

She was an anomaly.

 

I price my puzzles such that I can't absorb the tax.

 

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[oldhudson]

Taxes? Who pays taxes on cash money?

 

Only the honest folks.

[trackman]

I don't charge sales taxes therefore I don't owe any back. Government gets enough out of my paycheck without my few dollars people donate to me. I have a hobby not a busines and only make things not for profit. If everyone paid on cash sales and under the table deals the government would have a lot more money to waste.

Edited March 26, 2017 by trackman

[SCROLLSAW703]

Another reason I've lost interest in going to these shows, trackman. 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

There are many ways to handle taxes and probably every state maybe different so no one person can say what is right or wrong. I feel sorry for your state if that is how they determine vendors. Maybe a note to the safety board about their show would be in order too. good luck to all as the new year starts up. Hope everyone has a better than last year rating. 

[heppnerguy]

As a life time citizen of the great state of Oregon, I never pay sales tax, unless I am in another state. That being said, just one reason I love living here. I do pay my IRS taxes but I do try to take all the deductions I have coming. It does get more difficult to want to pay them when the government wastes so much of my hard earned money in such stupid ways. First they took away most of our write offs which includes now having to pay taxes on the money we are forced to spend on other taxes. Taxing the taxes is wrong but they make it a way of life. Then to top all that off, they take our Social Security money, which by the way was not theirs to take and use as they like. Then when an honest person try's to keep a little of what they earned, one is threatened with jail. My question is who is the criminal here?

WHOA, TIME TO GET OFF MY HIGH HORSE

 

Dick

heppnerguy

Edited March 26, 2017 by heppnerguy

[lawson56]

Well I live in Tenn,no state tax,I have never charged tax,I do pay my tax when I buy things,That's good enough for me.I,m not going to start preaching.

[hawkeye10]

Well I live in Tenn,no state tax,I have never charged tax,I do pay my tax when I buy things,That's good enough for me.I,m not going to start preaching.

Bobby we pay 9.75% sales tax when we buy some thing. That is a lot and our governor is wanting to raise our fuel tax. The high taxes and wasteful spending is the reason I buy as much as I can online where I don't pay taxes. I do realize that isn't going to last for ever.  

[hawkeye10]

I've been doing a great show in an unnamed city for 4 years now. Some artists don't get invited back despite having nice work. Other artists have been doing the show for 15 years!

 

The show includes state, county, and city tax forms and tax is due several weeks after the show by mailing directly to the state and to the county/city.

 

I know some artists fudge their sales for tax purposes. Some artists who don't have a "good" year don't get invited back the next year.

 

I inquired about the jury process and was told each year there is a different jury and they come from all parts of the country.

 

I think there is more to the jury process and selection. Sure, I think the jury ranks the applicants and then submits the results to the show sponsor. Then I think there are other many other factors which decide acceptance.

 

I am convinced that the show sponsor looks at reported sales via the tax forms submitted. And if reported sales don't meet a minimum value for returning applicants then I think they don't get invited back.

 

Just a theory. Comments welcome.

Brian I would say it's fact. Government is out of control and in my opinion that goes for the smallest town to the US government.

[Dan]

All of the shows I've done charged a few dollars for shoppers to enter. They also sell baked goods and have raffles. It seems to me that as long as there are a lot of shoppers and raffle ticket buyers, the sponsor, usually a local church or school for my shows, will make money. That part doesn't seem to matter about who pays taxes or not. I think when vendors are not there the following year it is more of a personal/business matter. I'm not getting what taxes have to do with whether a vendor is invited back to a show.

[tuner]

You may be right but I would think the show people are only interested in the money they make, why would they care if a vender paid taxes ? As far as being called back I think that may be nothing more then computer screw-up , they leave it up to a computer geek to decide who gets in and only the programmer know what he uses to sort requests, I wonder if the show people care so long as they sell the space. As far as there remarks to you, well we both know there are stupid people doing jobs there not suited for.... It's the loss not yours 😊

Edited March 26, 2017 by tuner

[Lucky2]

I don't charge any customer sales tax, never have and never will. I buy all of my tools and materials without claiming anything against my taxes, therefore I don't charge taxes. This is a hobby to me, not a business. And for the small amount that I sell, the government are in money if I don't charge taxes. Because if I have to charge taxes, I will charge everything I can against my personal taxes. 

Len

[zimmerstutzen]

My uncle retired from being a commercial artist to do the type of art he loved.  While he lived several states away, he did an outdoor juried art show near my parent's home in a strange Chatauqua community.  The event drew hundreds of artists and thousands of applicants.  He had a theory about the jury there, and often remarked about how some artists he considered better than himself were not invited back.  After 20 years, he was asked to be on the jury.   They chose based on crowd appeal, personality, type of art, how "fine" of an art the product was, and what they percieved sales generated to be.  Their purpose was to maintain the draw of the public to the show.  Too many of one type of art, or too many novel types of art were bad for the show.  Sometimes a new method or media was exciting and the next year it was "ho hum"  He complained that there were also politics involved, but sales taxes was something they did care about, but only to the extent that they demanded each vendor to have the permit, and charge sales tax, because they didn't want publicity that vendors were cheating, however, they knew most vendors probably did cheat. He did once complain about the fact that the jury had somebody taking pictures of each booth and being caught selling the same exact same items as the year before counted against the vendor with the jury.  (My uncle sold the heck out of signed lithographs, and one in particular became very popular, there was a series of 500 numbered prints and he was afraid to prominently feature that print the next year, even though he was down to 4 or 5 remaining.  During his last 10 years or so, it was the only show he would do.  It wasn't until after he died and I helped my cousin administer his estate,  that I found out what he made at that 4 day show and most years it was far into five figures..  .The show organizer went to his funeral and afterward asked my cousin to set up one last time to sell any remaining works.  Seems he was considered one of their major "anchors" to draw the money folks to the show.     

[orangeman]

Zimmer.......,

 

Very insightful post. Thanks for taking the time to post.

[oldhudson]

I've been doing a great show in an unnamed city for 4 years now. Some artists don't get invited back despite having nice work. Other artists have been doing the show for 15 years!

 

The show includes state, county, and city tax forms and tax is due several weeks after the show by mailing directly to the state and to the county/city.

 

I know some artists fudge their sales for tax purposes. Some artists who don't have a "good" year don't get invited back the next year.

 

I inquired about the jury process and was told each year there is a different jury and they come from all parts of the country.

 

I think there is more to the jury process and selection. Sure, I think the jury ranks the applicants and then submits the results to the show sponsor. Then I think there are other many other factors which decide acceptance.

 

I am convinced that the show sponsor looks at reported sales via the tax forms submitted. And if reported sales don't meet a minimum value for returning applicants then I think they don't get invited back.

 

Just a theory. Comments welcome.

 

What group sponsored the show?

[Denny Knappen]

Bobby we pay 9.75% sales tax when we buy some thing. That is a lot and our governor is wanting to raise our fuel tax. The high taxes and wasteful spending is the reason I buy as much as I can online where I don't pay taxes. I do realize that isn't going to last for ever.  

Yes, Don, we pay 9.75% sales tax, but we do not have an income tax.  There are other benefits like truck license.  In MN I paid $250 per year.  Here in TN only $25.