New Project???

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Like to start a new project for next year or I should say there will be several new projects, but this one in particular will be military plaques. Something on the lines of Dirk Boehlmans patterns from his book. I have seen many of these and maybe a few people do them. But I want to be able to put the American flag behind them. My question is for those that have done that how do you make copies of the flag and where did you get the copy of the flag and is there a way to make it glossy other than copying on photo paper which can be costly. If not glossy maybe a stain finish to it. Not sure how I will finish the plaques yet. I would post a photo of someones but do not want to over step. Maybe I will look for one on pinterest to post. Thanks in advance and if you have examples that you did please post them as give some pointers. I found a photo which brought up more questions and I am looking for opinions. I have seen these also with just painted backgrounds, is that a better look???  I seen these like this where the center has the flag and behind the lettering is colored background, is that a better look or is the flag behind all a better look. Sort of like a poll here to help me decide. Sometimes decisions like this are tough for me. Again thanks.

 

Edited December 4, 2017 by JTTHECLOCKMAN
changed spelling on Pinterest

[kmmcrafts]

I'm guessing that the best way to get a gloss finish is to print on photo papers.. I don't think standard paper is heavy enough anyway.. I have seen those foam sheets at the local Hobby Lobby or Micheal's stores that are the flag design.. though not glossy.. 

If you could get a heavy printer paper you could try spraying clear coat over the printed paper.. I would do this for the simple reason that if it were to get wet ( photo paper or otherwise ) it would smudge.. or mark it.. When i was making puzzles.. I would print on photo paper and glue the paper to my ply.. then sprayed a couple coats of triple thick clear glaze.. awesome stuff.. goes on thick and protected the image very well..  Can be purchase at most craft stores..and I think I've seen it at Walmart etc as well.. 

[amazingkevin]

13 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Like to start a new project for next year or I should say there will be several new projects, but this one in particular will be military plaques. Something on the lines of Dirk Boehlmans patterns from his book. I have seen many of these and maybe a few people do them. But I want to be able to put the American flag behind them. My question is for those that have done that how do you make copies of the flag and where did you get the copy of the flag and is there a way to make it glossy other than copying on photo paper which can be costly. If not glossy maybe a stain finish to it. Not sure how I will finish the plaques yet. I would post a photo of someones but do not want to over step. Maybe I will look for one on pintrust to post. Thanks in advance and if you have examples that you did please post them as give some pointers. I found a photo which brought up more questions and I am looking for opinions. I have seen these also with just painted backgrounds, is that a better look???  I seen these like this where the center has the flag and behind the lettering is colored background, is that a better look or is the flag behind all a better look. Sort of like a poll here to help me decide. Sometimes decisions like this are tough for me. Again thanks.

 

Excellent job!flawless

[lawson56]

Love that pic.This is just me,If I,m going to have a Flag as a background I paint mine.But seeing that your going to be doing several of them,that may not be the way to.I agree find some foam sheets. And Thank you.

[danny]

I would locate a picture of the Flag and us Photo paper to print.

You did a Outstanding job of Scrolling this pattern.  Beautiful to the Eye....  

Is this a Steve Good Pattern?         Danny  :+}

[Brianr24]

Very nice. Nice for me to see these things.

My father was a Vietnam vet. 82nd airborn. Saw way too much combat than anyone should see.it was hard to get stories out of him but as a child I remember prying some stories out of him. Now I understand more and probably shouldn't have. 

Sadly he shot himself in 2004.

Beautiful job. 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

People as many have done, not read my entire post. This is not my project. NOT a picture of my work. I found this on Pinterest so that I can show an example of what I am after. Try to decipher if that is Lawson work from his comments and if so very nice. As I said not sure if I would get in trouble showing someone elses work or not but figured it was on a free site  it would be OK.  

 

But the gist of this is that these are one of the projects I am going to add next year. Sold some military clocks this past weekend so it got me to thinking. I also did some searching and will have to order a couple American flag decals that might just work for what I want. I might be able to have some sized for me too if the quality is there I will contact the vendor. Again sorry for the confusion. 

Edited December 4, 2017 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[Brianr24]

1 hour ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

People as many have done, not read my entire post. This is not my project. NOT a picture of my work. I found this on Pintrust so that I can show an example of what I am after. Try to decipher if that is Lawson work from his comments and if so very nice. As I said not sure if I would get in trouble showing someone elses work or not but figured it was on a free site  it would be OK.  

 

But the gist of this is that these are one of the projects I am going to add next year. Sold some military clocks this past weekend so it got me to thinking. I also did some searching and will have to order a couple American flag decals that might just work for what I want. I might be able to have some sized for me too if the quality is there I will contact the vendor. Again sorry for the confusion. 

I did read ur whole post and then I read it three more times after reading your assumption that we didn't. I still can't find where it's so clear that it's not your work. Please don't take my response the wrong way I mean no Ill will here. But I couldn't leave it go with you thinking I just glanced at it and half hearted typed hey great job. I read it I just misunderstood sorry.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Well Brian say what you want but to me it is plain and clear I did not make this project shown here. Now I did make a mistake in saying Pintrust instead in Pinterest. I will see if i can edit that. But that is where I found the photo. I was looking for an example because a picture is worth 1000 words as they say.  If I had the answers I would not have asked the questions I did. My point here is I do not want to take credit for something I did not make and if that is a photo of someone's work that visits than they should get the credit. I will try to be more clear next time. Again apologies to whoever project this is. 

[Brianr24]

3 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Well Brian say what you want but to me it is plain and clear I did not make this project shown here. Now I did make a mistake in saying Pintrust instead in Pinterest. I will see if i can edit that. But that is where I found the photo. I was looking for an example because a picture is worth 1000 words as they say.  If I had the answers I would not have asked the questions I did. My point here is I do not want to take credit for something I did not make and if that is a photo of someone's work that visits than they should get the credit. I will try to be more clear next time. Again apologies to whoever project this is. 

Well plain as day to me would be example:

I did not make this plaque in the photo.or this is not my work .

Anyway I'm not implying that you are trying to take credit for this work in the phot. I'm just saying it was not plain as day and in my opinion easy for me and others to be mistaken.

 

Edited December 4, 2017 by Brianr24

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

3 hours ago, Brianr24 said:

Well plain as day to me would be example:

I did not make this plaque in the photo.or this is not my work .

Anyway I'm not implying that you are trying to take credit for this work in the phot. I'm just saying it was not plain as day and in my opinion easy for me and others to be mistaken.

 

WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kmmcrafts]

21 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

 

JT, Not to change the topic off coarse from your question...

I don't recall whether you said you'd be selling these... and I am sure you probably already know about copyright and trademarked  things.. I just wanted to give you a heads up before you get too involved in making a bunch of stock / inventory.. although probably wouldn't be an issue selling at craft fairs etc.. But anyway to get to my point..

A lot of these military things "ARE" copy written and trademarked.. I know they are from pattern books and there should not be any issues with something from a book.. But the truth of the matter is.. Well here is my story.. take it with a grain of salt if you wish.. I had some military themed items on etsy.. ( still do some ) and the patterns was from books or online pattern websites where I purchased the pattern.. specifically "Navy" themed etsy sent me a note saying they took down my Navy stuff due to a complaint from the Navy.. they sent me info to contact the Navy person that said I had copy written items in my store.. They took down several of my listings I had that was Navy related.. I never took it to the person from the Navy and just left it as was..

Many of the military branches have their own logo etc that is copy written.. as well as their own phrases.. such as... " proud sailor " which was one of the things I had that was dinged copywrite.. 

So.. my point is.. just because something comes in a pattern book.. doesn't always mean it's not copy written..  Many of those patterns in the book you are referring to use the military branches logo / icon.. 

Not telling you all not to make the stuff.. just being informational about my experience with selling certain things.. Etsy is a big well known company and I personally think nobody would have any issues selling these at a craft show or event.. but when you bring your sales online you open up a whole new audience.. that audience can sometimes be some jerk that is turning people in for questionable things etc.. or just another woodworker trying to compete with your items and turns you in.. I don't know.. but I do know that many of that military stuff really is copy written..

BTW the way the Navy found my items was by going to Etsy and doing a search for Navy according to the info that was given to me through etsy but from the Navy..

Again, just because a pattern is from a pattern book.. doesn't mean your behind is covered.. LOL

 

      

 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Thanks for the heads up Kevin. I have been selling military items at craft shows for over 20 years now and have not run into any problems. As of now I do not sell on line but if I do and run into a problem I will deal with that at that time. I buy military medals and pins and turn into clocks as well as I will be making pens from them. I know a person who made and probably still does bottle stoppers from military pins and sells all over the net and I have never heard he had any problems but I have not seen him in a couple years now. I hear Etsy gets cranky on many things. I sell things unless told to stop. Much of this copyright stuff is a bunch of bull and so much of it is in a grey area. I will be aware of what you mentioned and thanks. I will continue to make them when I do get started. I got this thought from a show I did last Sat. I had a customer buy a Coast Guard clock from me and was looking for a plaque without the clock. I did not have it but thought of these. Will see.

Taking the copyright thing to another level, the only time I ever encountered the copyright police at a show was about 20 years ago. Reps from Disney, Harley Davidson, and some sort of college groups stormed a show and made a few crafters take down their wares. One guy scrolled Harley plaques with motorcycles. Very nice work too. Another lady made Disney blankets and pillows from cloth that she bought from a craft store. Again very nice work. My question always is how many times does those rights need to be paid for when you take items and recycle them into other items. I know this is a long and drawn out discussion and there are no true answers and you need a Harvard law degree to decipher but it does get annoying at times.  Thanks for the story.  

 

I just was over at Steve Goodes pattern site and he has many military patterns with all the branches of military emblems and sayings. I believe someone was jealous Kevin and had someone represent the military. Not sure how they can do that but I am guessing Etsy just caves to anyone's complaints. As I said I will deal with any complaints at the time and they better have a good reason. Thanks again.

Edited December 5, 2017 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[jerry1939]

I bought the type of American Flag that has a plastic mast/flagpole that attaches to the back car window.  Perfect size & had a nice size hem for mounting.  I glued & stapled this to the fret piece.  Donated it to the Legion.

jerry

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

19 minutes ago, jerry1939 said:

I bought the type of American Flag that has a plastic mast/flagpole that attaches to the back car window.  Perfect size & had a nice size hem for mounting.  I glued & stapled this to the fret piece.  Donated it to the Legion.

jerry

That is a good idea also. Can get those in many different sizes. Thanks.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Just was sitting here thinking (can be dangerous at times) But the thought of Kevins plight on etsy. Don't we own the military??  There is no one person or corporation that owns any branch of the military so how can they have copyrights. I believe my money goes to support the military so I own one of those bullets I believe the insignias are public domain. Probably another lawyer thing that is so grey it has rain clouds in it.

Edited December 5, 2017 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[Scrappile]

John, I had that very thought!  I'm thinking our tax dollars pay for those insignias and everything else related to the military.  But I have read some where that one of the pattern vendors did not carry patterns for the Marine Corps, because the USMC felt they own the copyrights and wanted royalties for everyone sold.  Fact I wrote the vendor and asked why they didn't have a Marine pattern and that was the response I received.  That was several years ago. 

[tomsteve]

John, thats going to be a nice project(s). thinking on the flag for the entire back- so it can be seen through the lettering- or not....hhmmmm.... im really not sure. maybe make some with the flag behind it all and some not? see which ones sell more?( i think i read something about these going to be for sale?).  im thinking right now if the flag was a smaller scale i think it would be nicer- more detail of the flag showing? 

im also thinking gloss on the flag picture and satin on the woodwork. or vice versa.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

4 hours ago, tomsteve said:

John, thats going to be a nice project(s). thinking on the flag for the entire back- so it can be seen through the lettering- or not....hhmmmm.... im really not sure. maybe make some with the flag behind it all and some not? see which ones sell more?( i think i read something about these going to be for sale?).  im thinking right now if the flag was a smaller scale i think it would be nicer- more detail of the flag showing? 

im also thinking gloss on the flag picture and satin on the woodwork. or vice versa.

Thanks Tom. As I said it will be on my to do list this year. I plan on changing many of my sale projects for what could be my last year doing craft shows. They have lost value and swapping money with the organizers is not my cup of tea. May get out of this all together so maybe a huge fire sale or garage sale in the near future. Will be doing some serious thinking in the next 2 years. Been doing this for over 30 years. Seen that and done that but this is the all time worst of all times. Craft shows are a thing of the past.