Scrappile Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) i am putting together another "2nd Amendment" to donate to an auction. I have a problem/mistake that I am not sure how to fix. The BB I used for the backer has some "patches in it. I figured it would be okay for backer board. I painted the back of the backer and this is what it looks like... you can see the "patch plaonly. Okay for the back, it will not show. The I turn it over to and notice I have a "Patch" on the front of the backer that will show through the letters on that portion of the place: As you can see it is right where I least want it: I do not want to have to rebuild the whole backer, they are not fun to make. There is no easy way to just replace that one piece of the backer, it is glued and tacked in place. Any suggestion on how to hide this "patch"? Would it help to cover with a coat of varnish or something as an undercoat? I an really have problems finding decent 1/8" BB anymore locally. I seems to all have patches and knots. I went through a whole stack to find the piece I bought and then I catch a patch right were I least want it. Edited January 4, 2018 by Scrappile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry1939 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Wish I had an answer Friend, but I don't. For what it's worth, I buy BB here. http://www.sloanswoodshop.com/default.htm I ALWAYS buy "Good on both sides". For the time spent on a project, I would rather spend a little extra on the wood. Scrolling Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianr24 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 I think u have to replace the board . The only other solutions would be to veneer it . probably have to veneer all of them. Or maybe if ur artistic you try to paint or stain a faux grain on it well enough to get it to blend since you will be cutting away a good portion of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Might want to try to cover the front of the backer with some felt or other material. Then carefully trim it to fit. Just a thought. Best of luck with whatever you decide. Scrolling Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsN Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Here is what I would do, I don't know if it will work or not. Take some wood filler/putty and go over the board with the patch. when it is dry, sand it a bit. Spray a coat of clear finish (lacquer or clear acrylic), then paint black. good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky2 Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 Paul, try giving the front a coating with shellac or thinned poly, that should make the front all look the same. With using the shellac to get better results, you will not be able to use a water based finish. If there's any tiny bit of ridging or hollows around the patch, use a bit of wood filler and sand it down before shellacing the front. Len Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 4, 2018 Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 If you're painting the front of the backer I'd do as Katie suggested. If you plan to stain it or leave it natural I'd do as Brian suggested. Scrolling Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted January 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 (edited) Okay, will try MrsN's suggestion first (after all she teaches woodworking.... plus use flat black on the backer part and semi-gloss on the border. That is what I ended up on the last on. Tried all flat black and didn't like the border flat so repainted it with semi. Looked nice that way. If that doesn't work I will try the veneer. I'm concern the veneer will not stick to a painted surface, but I to use screw in the backer also for assurance the plaques stay put on it. Thanks to you all for your inputs. Edited January 4, 2018 by Scrappile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyred Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Could try inlaying a piece of the same plywood in the area of the patch. Should look like the rest of the backer when you are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 First off is that a patch on the same board??? If so then that is your fault for not seeing that. Pretty obvious. Second if you are using baltic birch and want top grade you have to pay for it. But to use top grade as a backer is throwing away money. Just need to be more vigilant and realize what you are going to get. B/BB is your best grade. I get mine from Woodpeckers. You say too hard to take apart. Don't see why. That board is toast so knock the nalis all the way through and pry it off. Even if glued it will pry off. May splinter but just clean up when done with a sharp chisel and sandpaper. Save pieces to trace for new one. That is my suggestion. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 (edited) Well first off, thanks for the chewing out... I admitted it was a "problem/mistake". But, your are correct, I do know something about Baltic Birch. I buy it at local lumber yards, 5' x 5' sheets. Buying it in little squares, adding shipping and it is not what I want to spend my money on. I have no problem finding good sheets of any thickness over 1/8" , but the 1/8" is not the best. I bought it after selecting the best piece I could find, and figured I could work around the patches (they were all at one end of the sheet). Didn't work out. Could have, had I been paying more attention... But I am going to try to fix it, if I can't I will remake. The rest of the sheet I bought does not have the patches. One more coat of flat black may do it. Edited January 5, 2018 by Scrappile Scrolling Steve and tomsteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Scrappile said: Well first off, thanks for the chewing out... I admitted it was a "problem/mistake". But, your are correct, I do know something about Baltic Birch. I buy it at local lumber yards, 5' x 5' sheets. Buying it in little squares, adding shipping and it is not what I want to spend my money on. I have no problem finding good sheets of any thickness over 1/8" , but the 1/8" is not the best. I bought it after selecting the best piece I could find, and figured I could work around the patches (they were all at one end of the sheet). Didn't work out. Could have, had I been paying more attention... But I am going to try to fix it, if I can't I will remake. The rest of the sheet I bought does not have the patches. One more coat of flat black may do it. Not a chew out but a pointing out. If you work with BB as much as you say then this should not happen. I use to have a dealer where I bought all kinds of hardwoods and plywoods including BB but 3 years ago they had a fire and did not rebuild. If you are painting then it will not stand out. Most places have free shipping when buying on line such as the one I mentioned. I have bought from them a couple times now and have not been disappointed. I buy 12X24 pieces alot because that is what fits my needs. Good luck. Scrappile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC Scroller Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Sorry Paul I do not have a magic solution. I am posting this information for education purposes. Like most lumber there are numerous grades of Baltic Birch. There are several factors that are used in lumber grading but defects is a major one. The higher the grade the more the cost. Most retail suppliers in the US will only stock one or two grades. Here is a link to help folks understand better: https://www.wolstenholme.com/plywood-products/baltic-birch/grading/ Scrappile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted January 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 Been working on it and MrsN's solution has saved me a great deal of work. Covered lightly with wood filler, sanded lightly, covered the front of the backer with a coat of spray varnish, then 3 coats of flat black Rust-oleum 2X Ultra COver (I like that paint). Unless you knew where to look, I don't thing you could find the patch. Good enough for me. Thank you all for the suggestions/help. GPscroller and NC Scroller 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsN Posted January 5, 2018 Report Share Posted January 5, 2018 YAY! so happy to help. amazingkevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 On 1/4/2018 at 12:25 PM, Scrappile said: i am putting together another "2nd Amendment" to donate to an auction. I have a problem/mistake that I am not sure how to fix. The BB I used for the backer has some "patches in it. I figured it would be okay for backer board. I painted the back of the backer and this is what it looks like... you can see the "patch plaonly. Okay for the back, it will not show. The I turn it over to and notice I have a "Patch" on the front of the backer that will show through the letters on that portion of the place: As you can see it is right where I least want it: I do not want to have to rebuild the whole backer, they are not fun to make. There is no easy way to just replace that one piece of the backer, it is glued and tacked in place. Any suggestion on how to hide this "patch"? Would it help to cover with a coat of varnish or something as an undercoat? I an really have problems finding decent 1/8" BB anymore locally. I seems to all have patches and knots. I went through a whole stack to find the piece I bought and then I catch a patch right were I least want it. Learn by doing ,I went thru the school of hard knocks,lol.I'm always forgetting to check the wood before applying a pattern ,i never learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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