orangeman Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I just tried the adhesive shelf paper from Walmart. Placed it on the soft maple and then adhered the pattern to the shelf paper. I used to adhere the pattern to the wood with temp adhesive and then cover with clear packaging tape to lubricate the blade. The new (to me) technique does not leave a residue on the wood, as does temp adhesive, and therefore the results are much better when I dip the puzzle pieces in food dyes. I don't get the blotching effect that often occurs when I can't sand all the temp adhesive off before dipping. The only downside is that it takes longer to remove the shelf paper from the puzzle pieces. Long fingernails are a must too! I like the shelf paper better than blue painter's tape because the shelf paper is clear and you can work around imperfections in the wood with pattern placement. I don't know who first suggested shelf paper on this forum (I know IGGY uses it) but I want to shout out a big THANK YOU to whoever it was! Also, I think the shelf paper is a better blade lubricant vs packaging tape and blue painter's tape. I now believe I have mastered the technique of using food coloring on soft maple! It's only taken me 9 years! bb OCtoolguy, Phantom Scroller, danny and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 And I thank you for your Write up on this subject. I have made several mentions with Tape verses Shelf liner and the way I have experimented with about Every method out there and this shelf liner is Far The Best to me. I used to Always use Spirits to melt the sticky of Spray Glue to remove the patterns. Always worked Perfect. Just wonder if it will work on this Shelf Liner? Small parts I can see being a pain to remove the liner material. Well anyway just my 13 cents.........Danny :+} OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 34 minutes ago, danny said: And I thank you for your Write up on this subject. I have made several mentions with Tape verses Shelf liner and the way I have experimented with about Every method out there and this shelf liner is Far The Best to me. I used to Always use Spirits to melt the sticky of Spray Glue to remove the patterns. Always worked Perfect. Just wonder if it will work on this Shelf Liner? Small parts I can see being a pain to remove the liner material. Well anyway just my 13 cents.........Danny :+} Danny, Absolutely no need to use mineral spirits when using shelf paper. Just peel it off and you are good to go. If fact I did a test today. No need to sand the surface either! A big plus as it saves time! bb amazingkevin and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfret Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Not to hijack your topic but I'm interested in your food coloring technique. Could you please explain some of it ? Fredfret OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatie Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Could post a photo of your Shelf paper please, because it may be called something different down here in Oz. Marg OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 11 hours ago, fredfret said: Not to hijack your topic but I'm interested in your food coloring technique. Could you please explain some of it ? Fredfret It is very involved. Must use a "hard" soft maple. I use a durometer to test every board I buy. Dilute concentrated food colors with water and/or alcohol. Dip pieces in solution and immediately wipe off excess liquid. Put pieces in a hair dryer with diffuser for a few seconds. Forget coloring pine as it is too soft. Alcohol will affect some colors and can not be used. That's it in a nutshell. fredfret and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 hours ago, wombatie said: Could post a photo of your Shelf paper please, because it may be called something different down here in Oz. Marg Hey Marg, Here is a link to it if you're able to open it. It's called "shelf liner" here in the US. It's used to line the shelves in your kitchen cabinets. Comes in a lot of different colors and patterns, but the clear is what we all use. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Duck-Brand-Peel-Stick-Adhesive-Laminate-Clear-12-in-x-36-ft/16224481 OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkthekid Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I just made the switch myself, and I wont be going back to blue painters tape. The shelf liner is tops! amazingkevin and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don watson Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Hope this doesn't take away anything from your post but I can answer Marg if I may. @Marg, I ordered the "Contact Brand Clear Covering Self-Adhesive Privacy Film and Liner, 18 inches by 9 feet, clear matte" from Amazon.uk on the 9th December 2017 (my birthday present to me). It was promised delivery 'Saturday 6th January - Friday 19th January 2018'. It did arrive on the 11th January 2018 from 'otcforyou', a company in New Jersey, USA I believe. I haven't used it yet but part of the English Instructions say 'Raw wood and water based paint must first be given a coat of varnish or shellac', Surface must be above 55 degrees F (13 C), allow at least 3/8" overlap for possible shrinkage' Sorry about butting in but I hope this helps Marg take care Don W PS I forgot to say it cost £10.43 including P & P. Edited January 22, 2018 by don watson forgot to add cost OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Knappen Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Thanks for the info, Iggy. I use the sticky back paper from Sloans at 30 cents each. This would cost 10 cents. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just a quick mention in case others have experienced it, but I "think" that the shelf liner lifts up a little bit in very cold temps. At least I've noticed it happening a little the past 3 weeks with the very cold temps in my garage. I may simply have not made solid contact when I applied it, but I wanted to mention in case others have noticed. Otherwise it sticks great, is easy to peel off when done and leaves no residue. Oh, and it's CHEAP! LOL OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjweb Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yes it does lift up in cold weather, I had a project ready to go but then the cold weather came in, left it in my un heated shop, it lifted up on all 4 corners, But still good product, RJ OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Yes I also experience the lifting up in the cold.. mainly just in the corners or near the edge of the board..not really effecting the cutting or patterns.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman Posted January 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, don watson said: Hope this doesn't take away anything from your post but I can answer Marg if I may. @Marg, I ordered the "Contact Brand Clear Covering Self-Adhesive Privacy Film and Liner, 18 inches by 9 feet, clear matte" from Amazon.uk on the 9th December 2017 (my birthday present to me). It was promised delivery 'Saturday 6th January - Friday 19th January 2018'. It did arrive on the 11th January 2018 from 'otcforyou', a company in New Jersey, USA I believe. I haven't used it yet but part of the English Instructions say 'Raw wood and water based paint must first be given a coat of varnish or shellac', Surface must be above 55 degrees F (13 C), allow at least 3/8" overlap for possible shrinkage' Sorry about butting in but I hope this helps Marg take care Don W PS I forgot to say it cost £10.43 including P & P. If you are using for blade lubrication DO NOT coat raw wood with varnish or shellac! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 I just had a brain storm. I wonder if a person was to cut the shelf paper into 8 1/2 by 11 and put it into the single page slot on the printer if we could print our patterns directly onto it and eliminate one of the steps to preparation. I might just have to give that a try. Ray amazingkevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, octoolguy said: I just had a brain storm. I wonder if a person was to cut the shelf paper into 8 1/2 by 11 and put it into the single page slot on the printer if we could print our patterns directly onto it and eliminate one of the steps to preparation. I might just have to give that a try. Ray Interesting idea for sure, but I wonder if the ink would stick to the "plastic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Iguanadon said: Interesting idea for sure, but I wonder if the ink would stick to the "plastic". You're right. I was thinking about printing on the peel off paper but I guess that wouldn't work so very good. Oh well, I'm old. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, octoolguy said: You're right. I was thinking about printing on the peel off paper but I guess that wouldn't work so very good. Oh well, I'm old. Ray I print the patterns on full sheet shipping labels.. when possible.. I hate getting that glue all over the surrounding area where it's sprayed.. as well as all over my fingers, LOL.. then I just peel and stick to the shelf liner.. no mess.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Pellow Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) I switched from blue painters tape to shelf paper about six months ago and find that it is both easier to apply and to remove. Since I refuse to shop at Wal Mart, I am happy to report that such shelf paper is available elsewhere. Edited January 22, 2018 by Frank Pellow GPscroller and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fab4 Posted January 22, 2018 Report Share Posted January 22, 2018 Ok, I want in on this one I buy Adhesive shelf and drawer liner rolls at our local Dollar store ( Ontario,Canada) it's $1.25 for an 18" X 40" Roll and it's whiteWhy do they call it a Dollar store??? That's a topic for another day Fab4 Here's a pic of the label OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 I've seen the stuff in many stores.. Yes Dollar stores too.. Years ago someone mentioned that they buy the 12" wide and use a paper shear to cut the 8.5 sheet of paper size.. But I buy both 12" wide for more of my smaller cutting.. but in some cases it's not wide enough for big portrait style cutting.. so I also buy 18" wide.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 52 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said: I've seen the stuff in many stores.. Yes Dollar stores too.. Years ago someone mentioned that they buy the 12" wide and use a paper shear to cut the 8.5 sheet of paper size.. But I buy both 12" wide for more of my smaller cutting.. but in some cases it's not wide enough for big portrait style cutting.. so I also buy 18" wide.. I buy 12" wide to match the boards I use... roll it out, stick it, spray it and lay the patterns out. If you don't like the sticky adhesive spray in areas not covered by patterns, you can sprinkle saw dust all over it. :-) kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 Count me as a convert with the shelf paper. I get mine at Menards and is 20 inches wide by 15 long. I spray my pattern with Super 77 and glue it to the shelf paper while it's still on the roll. Then I trim around the pattern. Less waste, or so I think. I do not use the shelf paper on BB though, it seems to lift the grain. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman Posted January 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 4 hours ago, octoolguy said: I just had a brain storm. I wonder if a person was to cut the shelf paper into 8 1/2 by 11 and put it into the single page slot on the printer if we could print our patterns directly onto it and eliminate one of the steps to preparation. I might just have to give that a try. Ray A friend just tried this with an inkjet printer and the ink smeared. Not good. Maybe a laser printer would be better. bb OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 23, 2018 Report Share Posted January 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, Iguanadon said: I buy 12" wide to match the boards I use... roll it out, stick it, spray it and lay the patterns out. If you don't like the sticky adhesive spray in areas not covered by patterns, you can sprinkle saw dust all over it. :-) Your workbench looks just like mine. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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