new2woodwrk Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 So, I put painters tape on the wood, spray adhesive on the pattern and place it on the painters tape, then place clear packing tape over the pattern. However, when I cut small cuts/turns, often the pattern lifts off the wood away from the painters tape and flops around while I'm trying to make the cut. Anyone have any suggestions for keeping the pattern adhered? I'm using repositionable temporary spray adhesive as the adhesive should I be using the sticky messy 45 instead? Thanks as always in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjweb Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Try using 3m 77 spray adhesive, it will not move. I only use blue painters tape then adhesive the pattern, no clear tape, Rj new2woodwrk and SCROLLSAW703 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Guy Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Same as rjweb for me. Get some 3m77 and skip the clear tape. new2woodwrk and SCROLLSAW703 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crupiea Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I use cheapo walmart brand spray adhesive. nothing special, whatever is the cheapest on in the paint department. If you spray a lot until its wet and put it on the wood it will be stuck forever and you will have to sand it off so obviously thats not the way to go. the trick is a very and i mean very light coat. maybe 2 seconds total for a sheet of paper. Now, let it sit for about 15 minutes. it will be barely tacky, if its more than barely, its too wet. 15 minutes means 15 minutes. Put it right onto the wood. bada bing. no tape, no shelf paper, no nothing, just the pattern on the wood. I make very tight turns in tiny spaces less than 1/16" and it stays put just fine. I only use 1/8" or 1/4" bb. If you are using something thicker and the blade is moving faster, than about 10 minutes dry time will work. Just not less than that as it will be a bear to scrape off. new2woodwrk, OCtoolguy and SCROLLSAW703 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Another vote for the 3M77. I've tried the cheaper stuff, always failed on me. The 3M77 won't fail!! Chris new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 maybe too much tape? new2woodwrk and SCROLLSAW703 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, new2woodwrk said: So, I put painters tape on the wood, spray adhesive on the pattern and place it on the painters tape, then place clear packing tape over the pattern. However, when I cut small cuts/turns, often the pattern lifts off the wood away from the painters tape and flops around while I'm trying to make the cut. Anyone have any suggestions for keeping the pattern adhered? I'm using repositionable temporary spray adhesive as the adhesive should I be using the sticky messy 45 instead? Thanks as always in advance. clear tape sounds slipperry new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I'll be different... I use white tape...Bic glue stick..........No problems Just started testing the Bostick blue (color) glue stick...so far no problems Both sticks on special at the time $2.00.... Merlin.... OCtoolguy and new2woodwrk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtP Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I had the same issue with that glue. Pay the extra for the 3M77 and you wont have the problem. Kurt new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCROLLSAW703 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) don't "soak" your pattern with spray on adhesive. Before ya stick it on your painters' tape on your wood, wave your pattern around to get some air movin' around it. Wait for 30 - 45 seconds before ya stick it down. Leave the packin' tape off of it! That's a waste of time & money, & doesn't do anything for your saw blade except create more for it to cut through. If you're that worried about blade lubrication & keepin' it cool, first learn to run your saw at a speed that you can get the life out of the blades w/out bustin'em, or, use a bar of soap. When ya get to those tight spots, slow your blade speed down considerably. Learn to let the blade do the work, & make sure you're using the right size blade. In tight turns, curves, round abouts, etc, the bigger the blade, the quicker it'll destroy your project. Your feed rate will, of course, slow way down, but, your blade is less apt to tear your pattern off in the tighter turns & curves than with a higher blade speed, Regardless of the material you're cuttin', Edited February 7, 2018 by SCROLLSAW703 new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I spray M77 right on the tape and put pattern on without waiting any more time than it takes to pick up the paper. Press pattern down with hand and start cutting. I think the glue gets into the tape making a better bond. Also this way you don’t get glue spray on your hands. No need to wait 15 min or even seconds. Been doing it this away for 8 years no problem pattern coming off. Just my two cents worth. new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I use blue painters tape and 3M super 77. Don't have any issues with that.The only time I use clear packing tape is on thicker wood or compound cuts to hold things together. new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ike Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I use keylon easytackI get at michaels for It cost $4.50 to $5.6o depending on the coupond that I have I spray the pattern after I wait 15 seconds and it ery seldom comes up and when it does I use a walll paper r;oller and it works fine I do not use blue painters tape . On fret work it can be a big problem getting it off. the I remove the pattern with mineral or paint thinerl dlet it dry and dtake a rag ssoaked with meneral oil and wipe it off . IKIE new2woodwrk and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTCowpoke22 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I do the same as trackman. Spray the tape and apply the pattern right away. Only time I have any issues is if I don't hit the entire area with the 3M77. new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Well, just to throw some mud in the water, I have been using 3M77 since I started scrolling. But a couple weeks ago I was buying a few supplies and was going to buy more 3M77. While standing in front of the Adhesives, I see a can of 3M45. I remember Iggy once saying that is his go to spray adhesive, so I thought good enough for Iggy I will give it a try. Now I have only used it on two pieces so far, but enough to know it works as good as 3M77, and there is a maybe better. Time will tell. But if at the least, it works as good it is somewhat cheaper, and I would be happy with just that. It is certainly not as messy as 3M77 either. OCtoolguy and new2woodwrk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2woodwrk Posted February 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Yah, I have 3m 45 - used to have 77 but it was way too gunky for me and got every where - 45 is still a bit sticky when I get it on my hands, but it is adhesive after all I really need to learn to use the 2 boxes of latex gloves I have LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfret Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I use rubber cement for fixing the pattern that flops if the 3m77 fails. cheap and quick setting cleans up with an eraser. Fredfret new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangeman Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I just switched from Elmer's to 3M "45". Big difference. no flopping with "45". Wondering why you use blue tape AND packaging tape? Either one alone would do the job re blade lubrication. bb new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ike Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I tried Elmers Spray glue once when it first came avable I now have 3/4 of the can left It is the poorest glue I ever used .IKE new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2woodwrk Posted February 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, orangeman said: I just switched from Elmer's to 3M "45". Big difference. no flopping with "45". Wondering why you use blue tape AND packaging tape? Either one alone would do the job re blade lubrication. bb I read somewhere that the painters tape goes on the wood, the pattern gets glued to the painters tape and the packing tape holds the paper in place or a stack if needed, so I just add it to all the pieces stacked or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Scroller Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 When you use the re-positional spray you spray the pattern wait 30 seconds so it's nice and tacky and stick directly on the wood then sellotape on top. Roly new2woodwrk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 I have ALWAYS printed on self stick full sheet shipping labels. I started with the expensive Avery labels and now I buy the cheaper ones, around $12 for 100 sheets pack. I also use the Peel & stick liners from Walmart. I have NO issues. Sam new2woodwrk and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2woodwrk Posted February 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Phantom Scroller said: When you use the re-positional spray you spray the pattern wait 30 seconds so it's nice and tacky and stick directly on the wood then sellotape on top. Roly Yah that's what I do, but I put painters tape on the wood first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkthekid Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Before buying anything else, try skipping the clear tape. I haven't had this problem since I quit using it. The painters tape underneath is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted February 7, 2018 Report Share Posted February 7, 2018 Another 2 cents worth. No matter what adhesive you use make sure the pattern is pressed down firmly. I have a rubber roller that I use after applying my pattern to ensure that it is in good firm contact though out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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