Flopping pattern

[new2woodwrk]

So, I put painters tape on the wood, spray adhesive on the pattern and place it on the painters tape, then place clear packing tape over the pattern.

However, when I cut small cuts/turns, often the pattern lifts off the wood away from the painters tape and flops around while I'm trying to make the cut.

Anyone have any suggestions for keeping the pattern adhered?

I'm using repositionable temporary spray adhesive as the adhesive should I be using the sticky messy 45 instead?

Thanks as always in advance.

[rjweb]

Try using 3m 77 spray adhesive, it will not move. I only use blue painters tape then adhesive the pattern, no clear tape, Rj 

[New Guy]

Same as rjweb  for me. Get some 3m77 and skip the clear tape.

[crupiea]

I use cheapo walmart brand spray adhesive. nothing special, whatever is the cheapest on in the paint department. If you spray a lot until its wet and put it on the wood it will be stuck forever and you will have to sand it off so obviously thats not the way to go.

the trick is a very and i mean very light coat. maybe 2 seconds total for a sheet of paper.   

Now, let it sit for about 15 minutes.  it will be barely tacky, if its more than barely, its too wet.  15 minutes means 15 minutes.

Put it right onto the wood. bada bing. no tape, no shelf paper, no nothing, just the pattern on the wood.  I make very tight turns in tiny spaces less than 1/16" and it stays put just fine.  
I only use 1/8" or 1/4" bb. If you are using something thicker and the blade is moving faster, than about 10 minutes dry time will work. Just not less than that as it will be a bear to scrape off. 

[Hawk]

Another vote for the 3M77. I've tried the cheaper stuff, always failed on me. The 3M77 won't fail!!

 

Chris

[amazingkevin]

maybe too much tape?

[amazingkevin]

1 hour ago, new2woodwrk said:

So, I put painters tape on the wood, spray adhesive on the pattern and place it on the painters tape, then place clear packing tape over the pattern.

However, when I cut small cuts/turns, often the pattern lifts off the wood away from the painters tape and flops around while I'm trying to make the cut.

Anyone have any suggestions for keeping the pattern adhered?

I'm using repositionable temporary spray adhesive as the adhesive should I be using the sticky messy 45 instead?

Thanks as always in advance.

clear tape sounds slipperry

[merlin]

I'll be different... I use white tape...Bic glue stick..........No problems

Just started testing the Bostick blue (color) glue stick...so far no problems

Both sticks on special at the time $2.00....

 

Merlin.... 

[KurtP]

I had the same issue with that glue. Pay the extra for the 3M77 and you wont have the problem.

Kurt

[SCROLLSAW703]

don't "soak" your pattern with spray on adhesive. Before ya stick it on your painters' tape on your wood, wave your pattern around to get some air movin' around it. Wait for 30 - 45 seconds before ya stick it down. Leave the packin' tape off of it! That's a waste of time & money, & doesn't do anything for your saw blade except create more for it to cut through. If you're that worried about blade lubrication & keepin' it cool, first learn to run your saw at a speed that you can get the life out of the blades w/out bustin'em, or, use a bar of soap.

When ya get to those tight spots, slow your blade speed down considerably. Learn to let the blade do the work, & make sure you're using the right size blade. In tight turns, curves, round abouts, etc, the bigger the blade, the quicker it'll destroy your project. Your feed rate will, of course, slow way down, but, your blade is less apt to tear your pattern off in the tighter turns & curves than with a higher blade speed, Regardless of the material you're cuttin', 

Edited February 7, 2018 by SCROLLSAW703

[trackman]

I spray M77 right on the tape and put pattern on without waiting any more time than it takes to pick up the paper.  Press pattern down with hand and start cutting. I think the glue gets into the tape making a better bond. Also this way you don’t get glue spray on your hands. No need to wait 15 min or even seconds. Been doing it this away for 8 years no problem pattern coming off. Just my two cents worth. 

[WayneMahler]

I use blue painters tape and 3M super 77. Don't have any issues with that.The only time I use clear packing tape is on thicker wood or compound cuts to hold things together.

[ike]

I use keylon easytackI get at michaels for It cost $4.50 to $5.6o depending on the coupond that I have I spray the pattern after I wait 15 seconds and it ery seldom comes up and when it  does I use a walll paper r;oller and it works fine I do not use blue painters tape . On fret work it can be a big problem getting it off. the I remove the pattern with mineral or paint thinerl dlet it dry and dtake a rag ssoaked with meneral oil and wipe it off .

IKIE

[MTCowpoke22]

I do the same as trackman. Spray the tape and apply the pattern right away. Only time I have any issues is if I don't hit the entire area with the 3M77.  

[Scrappile]

Well, just to throw some mud in the water, I have been using 3M77 since I started scrolling.  But a couple weeks ago I was buying a few supplies and was going to buy more 3M77.  While standing in front of the Adhesives, I see a can of 3M45.  I remember Iggy once saying that is his go to spray adhesive, so I thought good enough for Iggy I will give it a try.  Now I have only used it on two pieces so far, but enough to know it works as good as 3M77, and there is a maybe better.  Time will tell.  But if at the least, it works as good it is somewhat cheaper, and I would be happy with just that.  It is certainly not as messy as 3M77 either.

[new2woodwrk]

Yah, I have 3m 45 - used to have 77 but it was way too gunky for me and got every where - 45 is still a bit sticky when I get it on my hands, but it is adhesive after all

I really need to learn to use the 2 boxes of latex gloves I have LOL

[fredfret]

I use rubber cement for fixing the pattern that flops if the 3m77 fails. cheap and quick setting cleans up with an eraser.

Fredfret

[orangeman]

I just switched from Elmer's to 3M "45". Big difference. no flopping with "45".

Wondering why you use blue tape AND packaging tape? Either one alone would do the job re blade lubrication.

bb

[ike]

I tried Elmers Spray glue once when it first came avable I now have 3/4 of the can left It is the poorest glue I ever used

.IKE

[new2woodwrk]

1 hour ago, orangeman said:

I just switched from Elmer's to 3M "45". Big difference. no flopping with "45".

Wondering why you use blue tape AND packaging tape? Either one alone would do the job re blade lubrication.

bb

I read somewhere that the painters tape goes on the wood, the pattern gets glued to the painters tape and the packing tape holds the paper in place or a stack if needed, so I just add it to all the pieces stacked or not.

 

[Phantom Scroller]

When you use the re-positional spray you spray the pattern wait 30 seconds so it's nice and tacky and stick directly on the wood then sellotape on top. Roly

[Sam777]

I have ALWAYS printed on self stick full sheet shipping labels. I started with the expensive Avery labels and now I buy the cheaper ones, around $12 for 100 sheets pack. I also use the Peel & stick liners from Walmart. I have NO issues.

Sam

[new2woodwrk]

1 hour ago, Phantom Scroller said:

When you use the re-positional spray you spray the pattern wait 30 seconds so it's nice and tacky and stick directly on the wood then sellotape on top. Roly

Yah that's what I do, but I put painters tape on the wood first

[Chunkthekid]

Before buying anything else, try skipping the clear tape. I haven't had this problem since I quit using it. The painters tape underneath is enough.

[stoney]

Another 2 cents worth.   No matter what adhesive you use make sure the pattern is pressed down firmly.   I have a rubber roller that I use after applying my pattern to ensure that it is in good firm contact though out.