Elmers Spray Adhesive

[Rockytime]

I did a little scrolling today. I had a can of Elmers adhesive which I used to adhere the pattern. Disaster. The pattern started lifting. I had sprayed the pattern some time ago in a cold garage. I thought it might be the problem. The pattern lifted easily and I resprayed it making sure I used enough adhesive. It lifted again. I had waited a few moments to make sure it was sticky. Then I realized it was a rattle can. I never rattled it and perhaps that was my mistake. I tossed it and used the 3M adhesive. Problems over.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

I have been using this for quite some time and have had no problems with it at all. http://www.amazon.com/Krylon-K07010-11-Ounce-All-Purpose-Adhesive/dp/B000GLG7I2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1521256977&sr=8-13&keywords=spray+adhesive

[WayneMahler]

I use 3M 77 and have never had an issue with it, Sticks and stays. I guess when you find something that works for you you stay with it ? 

[Rockytime]

1 hour ago, WayneMahler said:

I use 3M 77 and have never had an issue with it, Sticks and stays. I guess when you find something that works for you you stay with it ? 

That's what I switched to.  3M 77

[Sycamore67]

Another for 3M77.  !!!!!!

[Scrolling Steve]

3M 77 and 45 are very nice products for me !

[NC Scroller]

I started with 3M 77 Super years ago.  Decided to try Elmers because it was cheaper.  After trying it 3-4 times I tossed it and went back to 77 Super.  My local Lowe's has the best price.  A large can is under $10.  Since you only need a little the can lasts.  I figure it costs less then a penny per project.

[Iguanadon]

3M 45 for me... 77 is pure evil... I swear it trapped a bird flying over my house in it one time.  ;-)

[Gonzo]

3M 77 here also. Haven't tried the 45

[RangerJay]

In defense of Elmer's I think the secret is to spray both surfaces and then stick without any time delay - have to admit that this is now the glue I use all the time - first bought it because my patterns were lifting with another product - (don't remember what that was) - tried Elmer's and have never had trouble since.  I cover my wood stock with green painters tape first - spray glue on both the taped wood and the pattern - immediately stick - then cover all with box tape.

 

Jay

[NC Scroller]

28 minutes ago, RangerJay said:

In defense of Elmer's I think the secret is to spray both surfaces and then stick without any time delay - have to admit that this is now the glue I use all the time - first bought it because my patterns were lifting with another product - (don't remember what that was) - tried Elmer's and have never had trouble since.  I cover my wood stock with green painters tape first - spray glue on both the taped wood and the pattern - immediately stick - then cover all with box tape.

 

Jay

Jay  I tried that and for me it did not work out.  Oh yes the pattern stuck fine with zero lift off.  The issue I had is almost always trim the excess paper from my patterns.  That way I can position the pattern to take advantage of a particular grain pattern or to maximize the number of projects I get out of a piece of wood.  In the latter I attach the patterns and then trim.  Spraying both meant I had to deal with sticky exposed wood which I did not like.  Besides it means using twice a much glue.  Yes I know I used 2 cents worth versus 1 cent worth but like most scrollers I am cheap.  LOL 

[kmmcrafts]

I bought a can of the elmers once.. actually not long ago.. because it was half the cost of the 3M77... I had issues with it lifting as well.. then read something along the lines of what Jay said on the can.. While I still only sprayed the pattern.. I learned that you need to really wet it pretty good.. and stick it while it's still wet.. don't wait for it to get tacky.. I used it until the can was gone.... I did learn though.. even at half the cost of the 3M77.. In the end it was more money.. because you use twice as much spray to get it to stick..

[ike]

I tried it once andit didn't work very well I tried it once and I did't like itThe pattern came looose right in the middle of the cutting. I wouldm't recomend it at all.

IKE

[edward]

I use 3M77 never had a problem.  edward

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Man I must be in the minority when it comes to using 3M77 I find that stuff to be too aggressive. I use that stuff and also 3M90 to glue felt to boards or other light weight materials that need to be glued to a surface and stay. I just bought another can from Home Depot the other day for projects I have coming up. Just never found the need for such tack for patterns. http://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Super-77-16-75-fl-oz-Multi-Purpose-Spray-Adhesive-77-24/100067550 Also always found you need to keep that nozzle clean on that or else it starts to spit in clumps. Never had a problem with the adhesive I had shown I use. I can see where a pattern will never peel off with 77 though, so I guess it is a good product for that too. 

What you have to watch for too is some glues are repositionable and that makes them less tacky. 77 is not. It is a permanent adhesive. Not sure if Elmers is that or not.   If you do not use tape under the pattern and glue direct to wood then you would want something with less tack so it is easier to clean up. 77 would be a bear to do that. Been there done that. And if you use tape under the pattern you now are relying on 2 different adhesives when cutting a pattern. Not sure how many people thought of that. Could be the spray adhesive is staying put but the tape is lifting especially if old. Again you can get different tack adhesion with different tapes. 

Edited March 17, 2018 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[Rockytime]

I misspoke earlier I did not switch to 3M 77 but rather to 3M 45. In my art department everyone used 3M 77. My mind wandered back to then even though it was almost 20 years since then.

[kmmcrafts]

I buy the 3M 77 because it is used for so many other things in “my” shop. Awesome for gluing sandpaper to a disc sander. Also works in the Autobody repair sector of my life as it works well for gluing molding and emblems back on that are the super thin ones. The thicker moldings I use 3M double sided molding tape. Anyway, I use it more for that stuff that the patterns. Most my patterns are printed on self adhesive full sheet shipping labels. I only glue patterns that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 papers as I haven’t found any self adhesive papers any larger than that. 

[OCtoolguy]

7 hours ago, Iguanadon said:

3M 45 for me... 77 is pure evil... I swear it trapped a bird flying over my house in it one time.  ;-)

It's almost as bad as super glue for "stickiness". I know of a few kids who could stand a shot of 77 on their lips.

Ray

 

[Dan]

I'm not a fan of Elmer's. I bought two small cans and will probably end up giving them away. 3M 77 is my go to. For small projects I use glue sticks. I think the glue sticks are Elmer's. 

[3Dface]

i have been using 3M77 also. have not had many problems holding down patterns  but will try the 3M 45.

[Rockytime]

5 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

I buy the 3M 77 because it is used for so many other things in “my” shop. Awesome for gluing sandpaper to a disc sander. Also works in the Autobody repair sector of my life as it works well for gluing molding and emblems back on that are the super thin ones. The thicker moldings I use 3M double sided molding tape. Anyway, I use it more for that stuff that the patterns. Most my patterns are printed on self adhesive full sheet shipping labels. I only glue patterns that are larger than the standard 8.5 x 11 papers as I haven’t found any self adhesive papers any larger than that. 

Thanks for the reminder, full sheet adhesive sheets. I have that stuf but never thought of using it for patterns. If one does a lot of cutting it is pricey. But for what I do it would be fine.

Rockytime, aka Les

[kmmcrafts]

14 minutes ago, Rockytime said:

Thanks for the reminder, full sheet adhesive sheets. I have that stuf but never thought of using it for patterns. If one does a lot of cutting it is pricey. But for what I do it would be fine.

Rockytime, aka Les

Only pricey if bought in small quantity's..... But most casual cutters probably would be never use a few thousand sheets a year either.. LOL.. I buy 1000 sheets at a time for around $50..I figure buy the time I pay for regular paper and many cans of the 3M-77 and the mess it makes with the over spray.. yes.. makes a big mess with the over spray getting on all sorts of other things surrounding where it's sprayed at.. and using it at my scale creates a gooey sticky floor and most everything around the area that it's spayed in, LOL  So.. I use them always.. unless it's a large pattern that takes more than a 8.5 x 11

[Sam777]

I Haven't been scrolling much but since the beginning (about 2 years) I used the full sheet adhesive paper, but the trick is to also use some kind of full remobanle sheet . Lately I started using the stick and peel and it works great. You should try it.

Sam

[Rockytime]

The adhesive sheets I have are from Office Depot. They are probably made by Avery.

Les

[tgiro]

I was using spray on glue for some time, except I didn't like the mess cleaning the pattern and glue residue of the board after cutting. So, I started covering the board with plastic tape and gluing the pattern to that. That was a cleaner pattern removal, but had it's own issues with the additional cost of the tape.

Then I went to Judy Gale Roberts' Intarsia class and was introduced to the Xyron glue machine. Awesome - feed your patterns through it and they come out the other side glued. It's a re-positional glue and the patterns peel off after cutting with no residue left on the board. When I got home, I jumped on Amazon and bought one with three re-positional glue refills and haven't looked back.

They have changed a bit since I bought mine. Now they work on 5-inch wide glue sheet as well as 9-inch. Here is what Amazon has now -- https://www.amazon.com/Xyron-624632-Creative-Station-Option/dp/B00X3EZ5VO/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1521385541&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=xyron+creative+station&psc=1

You can get the refills in any craft store, but they are probably expensive there. I get mine at Amazon for less than half the price of the craft stores. You can, also, get a permanent glue cartridge and a lamination cartridge. If anyone in your family is into photo albums or scrap booking, you may have to share it.

Just another way to go.