kmmcrafts Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Does anyone know if the Excalibur's come with the thumb crews with the swivel ends ( whatever they call them ).. I was always under the impression they do.. but my new still boxed used saw doesn't have those little inserts in the end of the thumb screws.. ( well at least the top clamp didn't have them. ) I've been having some issues with the blade staying in the top clamp and so i took it out and was going to clean it up and found that it doesn't have those inserts.. Maybe the bottom clamp does.. as I haven't looked yet.. I did go over to steal the one out of my DeWalt and now no issues a all.. ( I do have a few NEW sets but stole it from the DeWalt because I didn't want to open a new package up if it wasn't the same ).. Anyway I just was always under the impression that is what the saws came with? My Dewalt didn't have the screws with the ends either when I first bought it new.. but the replacements did I think.. maybe it was just the Seyco ones I bought that did.. Not sure but at any rate.. i think all saws should have the inserts in the end of the thumb screws... I flip / flop back and forth.. on the Hawk and Ex.. but I think once I get more use on the EX it'll be my go to saw.. I still have trouble getting the blade clamped into the upper clamp ( bottom feeder ). I wish the set screws was designed in a way that you insert the blade all the way to the back of the clamp.. rather than trying to guess if I have the blade in the right spot as I turn the set screw... but putting in the thumb screws with the inserts in the end made it much easier.. as before that if the blade was to the back or front too far the screw spinning would make the blade move away from the screw and I kept tightening it only to find that the blade didn't even clamp.. with lots of use.. I was getting a feel for knowing that the clamp was pushing the blade away.. but it sure was annoying and taking a lot of time fiddling with the darn thing... something that if the blade was supposed to go all the way to the back wouldn't be an issue.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta Moreton Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 That is why I am going to buy the upgrade clamps. I used to topfeed my Dewalt, my EX doesn’t like it. OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, kmmcrafts said: Does anyone know if the Excalibur's come with the thumb crews with the swivel ends ( whatever they call them ).. I was always under the impression they do.. but my new still boxed used saw doesn't have those little inserts in the end of the thumb screws.. ( well at least the top clamp didn't have them. ) I've been having some issues with the blade staying in the top clamp and so i took it out and was going to clean it up and found that it doesn't have those inserts.. Maybe the bottom clamp does.. as I haven't looked yet.. I did go over to steal the one out of my DeWalt and now no issues a all.. ( I do have a few NEW sets but stole it from the DeWalt because I didn't want to open a new package up if it wasn't the same ).. Anyway I just was always under the impression that is what the saws came with? My Dewalt didn't have the screws with the ends either when I first bought it new.. but the replacements did I think.. maybe it was just the Seyco ones I bought that did.. Not sure but at any rate.. i think all saws should have the inserts in the end of the thumb screws... I flip / flop back and forth.. on the Hawk and Ex.. but I think once I get more use on the EX it'll be my go to saw.. I still have trouble getting the blade clamped into the upper clamp ( bottom feeder ). I wish the set screws was designed in a way that you insert the blade all the way to the back of the clamp.. rather than trying to guess if I have the blade in the right spot as I turn the set screw... but putting in the thumb screws with the inserts in the end made it much easier.. as before that if the blade was to the back or front too far the screw spinning would make the blade move away from the screw and I kept tightening it only to find that the blade didn't even clamp.. with lots of use.. I was getting a feel for knowing that the clamp was pushing the blade away.. but it sure was annoying and taking a lot of time fiddling with the darn thing... something that if the blade was supposed to go all the way to the back wouldn't be an issue.. Kevin, The thumb screws you buy from ceyco have the swivels and o-rings on them. I think I bought them for $6-7 each. Don't quote me. Get yourself a couple for emergencies. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Mine came equipped with them. I have order replacements and repair kits for the screws. When I first looked at the one from the factory they didn't seem to have them but they ended up, just a really great fit and finish plus they were a little stiff. As for getting the blade all the way to back, I have never had the issue. I am a top feeder so would imagine it is just getting used to the difference in the saws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, Sam777 said: Kevin, The thumb screws you buy from ceyco have the swivels and o-rings on them. I think I bought them for $6-7 each. Don't quote me. Get yourself a couple for emergencies. Sam Those Seyco ones are nice... I ordered 8 sets of them years ago for my DeWalt... but have only needed the one set I put in it way back when... I was just under the thought that the Ex saws came from the factory with the swivels.. apparently not? My saw is the newer black model with the dust collection port.. so it's not all that old.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted March 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 21 minutes ago, WayneMahler said: Mine came equipped with them. I have order replacements and repair kits for the screws. When I first looked at the one from the factory they didn't seem to have them but they ended up, just a really great fit and finish plus they were a little stiff. As for getting the blade all the way to back, I have never had the issue. I am a top feeder so would imagine it is just getting used to the difference in the saws. I'm a bottom feeder.. for the bottom clamp on the saw.. you do put the blade all the way to the back of the clamp.. but the top clamp if you put the blade all the way to the back the thumb screw misses the blade.. Maybe it's a good time to start top feeding.. then I won't have to deal with that anymore LOL.. Though it is better with the swivel style clamps.. and I guess I'm getting better at it.. Just too used to the DeWalt.. as on that saw you push the blade all the way to the back of the clamp... matter of fact.. you do on the Hawks too... Gonzo and tomsteve 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam777 Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Kevin, I have the black EX 16. I bought it in late 2015 and it looked like brand new then. It must be made around 2012-2014 or so. I am a bottom feeder also but don't have the issues of not positioning the blade all the way back in the top clamp. I always push the blade all the way back and the thumb screw does not miss it. May something is wrong with that top clamp. Let us know how it goes. Good luck Sam tomsteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I purchased the Ex I had from SEYCO, it came with the swivel thumb screws in both clamps. Maybe Seyco exchanged them on the machines they sold. And I agree with Sam, there is something amiss with your clamp. I never had that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsteve Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Sam777 said: Kevin, I have the black EX 16. I bought it in late 2015 and it looked like brand new then. It must be made around 2012-2014 or so. I am a bottom feeder also but don't have the issues of not positioning the blade all the way back in the top clamp. I always push the blade all the way back and the thumb screw does not miss it. May something is wrong with that top clamp. Let us know how it goes. Good luck Sam same here,sam. i dont have the swivel thumb screw but no problem getting the blade to the back of the clamp and locking it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrollingforsanity Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 My green EX that is six years old also came with the swivel ends as did my Dewalt before that. My new Seyco St also has them. grizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackman Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I have no problem putting the blade all the way to the back of the holder top or bottom. I top feed so when I feel the blade go into the bottom clamp it is all the way back. I think you may have a bad clamp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted March 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2018 Well, I did some closer inspection of my upper clamp.. I seem to be able to put the blade all the way to the back now that I changed my thumb screw.. so.. I'm guessing the old thumb screw that came with the saw was defective.. in fact the end of it was distorted and I'm not a over tightener on these normally.. after all.. my Dewalt ones have never been changed other than to put the swivel style ones in it... about 8 years ago... and I've owned the saw 11 years now.. Anyway I took a closer look at it today and was shining a light back there to see where the screw hit the blade with the blade all the way to the back.. looked to be able to hit it every time.. I haven't sawed much since I put the swivel screw in it the other day.. so either the deformed screw was the problem or I was doing something wrong.. I'll see when I get back out and make some sawdust again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky2 Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Kevin, you must have gotten a messed up screw, my EX has the swivel tips. Len kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I found that on my EX, if the top of the blade is too high, it hits something (relief cut out I think) and that prevents it from going all the way back to be clamped kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 hours ago, JimErn said: I found that on my EX, if the top of the blade is too high, it hits something (relief cut out I think) and that prevents it from going all the way back to be clamped That could be some of my issue I suppose.. I'll pay closer attention to that... Thanks for the information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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