kmmcrafts Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Well I got the call this afternoon from the motor shop that the motor on my jointer isn't worth repairing.. and a new replacement motor is a tad over $400 so that's not happening on this old unit.. I've been looking at new units on and off when I have time... Been real busy lately and not even shop stuff.. My son (22 years old) took a new job at ( https://www.stevemorrisengines.com/) that is 2 hours away so helped him get out on his own for the first time.. his first week his car quit... luckily on a Friday and he at least got it to his apartment .. wasn't worth repairing.. so I got my old Dodge truck out of storage ( I bet he liked that ... at least until he had to fill it up every few days, LOL ) for him to drive for the last two weeks while I helped him repair the blazer that was my daughters before I got her the Jeep.. was going to be a father son project for my youngest son to drive since he starts drivers training this week.. While on the subject of busy.. Wife quit her job 3-4 weeks ago and we've been looking into buying self employed health insurance.. basically it's just the ACA insurance ( Obama care ).. issue with that is.. the whole system is broken and pretty stupid.. as it promotes failure.. what I mean by that is.. If I make $5000 less a year I save close to $12,000 on my coverage and premiums.. so apparently they don't expect small business'es to grow or want them to.. So basically I can scale down business and live in poverty or hunker down and keep doing what I do and still live more in poverty LOL.. Anyway I better get off that subject.. sorry to take it into a somewhat political or $$ talk but just wanted you all the know where / what I've been up too.. so if I stop posting I've either died because this political stuff made my BP go too high or.. I'm working my rear off to make some more money for the Gov. Back on track.. Been looking at the Rikon benchtop joiner with the helical head.. anyone have any experience with them? Also noticed this one which I think is really the same one I have with different name..Think I read somewhere once that Delta and Porter Cable same company? Probably the same one if so.. mine is a Delta JT160 and looks just like the one linked below.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Porter-Cable-2-Blade-120V-6-Bench-Jointer-PC160JTR-Reconditioned/391758336977?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Here is a link to the Rikon.. Really like that one but.. little pricey.. and if the Porter Cable takes the same knives as my Delta since I have a couple new sets.. probably go with that.. unless of coarse a Craiglist deal pops up http://www.rockler.com/rikon-20-600h-6-benchtop-jointer-with-helical-style-head P.S. Probably shouldn't reply about the Insurance.. just read it and shake your head... don't want to raise anyone else's BP.. and or get someone kicked off here.. It's okay if I get kicked off.. that way I'll have more time to make the Gov. some more money OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkey Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I had the same problem with my very old table saw. Every place I look the motors were $350 to $400. Then I went to Grizzly tools an got a motor for under $200. Check out Grizzly they have a lot of motors at a great price. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkey Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I bought a Cutech 6 inch joiner with helical head and really like it. OCtoolguy and tomsteve 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 My very strong opinion stay far away from table top jointers. Not worth the money. If you have no room for a floor model than you have been warned and good luck. You will ask me why I am sure. They are unstable, which makes them dangerous. Limited on length for accurate jointing. Motors under rated for cuts other than very shallow, not easy to dial in for accuracy. Just a few things I have seen with them. Good luck. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I have the Porter Cable table top. I would get a floor model if at all possible. Mine was tough to keep in alignment for great cuts with out a bow in the middle. Did the job though to a degree. The motor staretd acting up so it sets under one of my benches. I use either a Stanely 7 or 8 if it's more the my table saw can handle. Keep them sharp and they work wonders, although you need winding sticks but that simple enough. Good luck Kevin. JTTHECLOCKMAN and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Well my Delta was doing everything I needed it to do... so I felt a tabletop would be fine.. I do know the little table top units are very light duty.. and honestly I just make the boards flat and smooth for glue ups is all.. a sander would work and probably a hand plain.. most the lumber I get are fairly squared up etc.. I just run them through because they are rough cut on an edger saw.. I do have the space for a large floor model.. but trying to stay on budget with the wife not working at the moment etc. and needing something to do the job for now.. I've been watching for the past year or so on the right deal for a floor model.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 If you have a tablesaw run the edges on that. You will get just as good an edge if you have decent saw. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I know you probably have already done this but check C/L. I have seen a few small units lately. One older Delta 4" that I think was in the $125 range. There are used ones out there. tomsteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScollSaw Slasher Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Table top jointers and I never got along. Use table saw and/or straight edge and heavy duty router for panels. Sold the jointer, and like a boat, one of the happiest days in my life. As to insurance. My son is an independent sound and light guy, and goes through the same hassles to the detriment of his house maintenance. So your are not alone. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl S Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 If you have a Harbor Freight near, you might look at their offerings. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 When I went to pick up the jointer from the motor shop today he told me the motor is fine.. it's the variable speed circuit board chip.. and he tried to locate something and couldn't find anything.. There use to be another guy that worked at this shop but he seems to be not working there anymore.. he would go the extra mile and find a way.. if nothing more than wiring it up direct and making a single speed out of it.. Sad because I always bragged this place up... this guy now just looks up the parts from manufacture and if obsolete the he goes no further with it.. Maybe he doesn't know how to go beyond the manufacture.. but that other guy sure did and knew his stuff.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Okay, so.. I looked up the parts on ereplacementparts and the circuit board shows obsolete.. copied the part number and did a google search for delta #1345927 and found several of them available.. I've dealt with mikestools on obsolete Delta parts in the past and had very good experience with them.. but the kicker is... the price of this little circuit board is $150 from Mikestools... some other places have it as low as $136.. probably both places charge shipping.. I didn't look into it that far as I wasn't sure I wanted to spend that on this old piece of equipment.. After looking at the parts diagram and list.. I realize that the new Porter Cable machine is the same thing.. Thought they looked very close to the same other than stickers... Might just go that route and save my old Delta as a parts unit.. Though I'll investigate this circuit board some more.. maybe I'll find a cheap one somewhere.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 How about a board from Porter/Cable? kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Ray, that come up with the same thing, same part number and everything and just takes me to the same sites etc. Tried eBay as sometimes you get lucky and find someone that has a new old stock one they just want to get rid of. But no luck there either. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmaster1 Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Kevin when I retired from teaching I had to pay the whole tab for insurance until I turned 65 last November. I know where you're coming from. I paid 2190 a month for over two years. I made too much from my pension and social security for much of a reduction, so I stayed on the schools insurance paid the 2190 a month. Good luck on your jointer quest. You can setup a router table to act like a jointer by offsetting the outfeed side fence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I don't mind paying the insurance premiums.. it's the deductibles that gets us.. My wife has crohns disease so with her 12,000 every 8 weeks for meds we pay out the full amount on any of the plans usually within the first couple of months of the year.. many of the plans deductibles are 10,000 15,000 -20,000 so we pay that every year on top of the actual insurance cost.. then even after that many of them are 80/20 etc.. These companies need to make money and I realize that.. but they keep raising prices and creating higher deductibles and paying out less.. or is seems that way.. a lot of those plans are great for any healthy person... but those that have chronic illness.. not so much.. As for the jointer.. I'm watching the local ads, craigslist and other places for a used one.. maybe some garage sales.. Now that I know the Porter Cable is the same unit I may end up buying a new one.. I have a couple sets of new knives etc and for $250 I'd have many parts from this old Delta if something was to go wrong with it before I find that perfect deal.. I don't really have a router capable for doing much of anything heavy.. and not much for bits etc.. so at the end of the day the jointer is probably the lowest cost for my budget at this time.. I hate using tables saws and avoid using it if at all possible.. While I've never had an issue using it personally.. way back in middle school some kid wasn't watching what he was doing or something and that thing flung a big ol block of 2x4 across the woodshop and bounced around and off all sorts of stuff before coming to a rest.. lucky and I don't know how.. but it never hit anyone.. but went inches from my head so those things scare the tar out of me to be around or use still to this day.. even though I've been around a lot of saws and heavy equipment..working at the sawmill.. etc I still hate using a table saw.. I go to my band saw for most needs.. sometimes I can't do what I need unless I fire up the table saw.. and won't run it unless there is someone at home.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Kevin you need one of these. You won't get hurt. http://static.axminster.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/7/0/700199_xl.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 7 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said: Kevin you need one of these. You won't get hurt. http://static.axminster.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/7/0/700199_xl.jpg I've thought about one of those actually.. I've never used one.. actually I think I have one in some tools that my grandfather used to use that my father left for me.. Guessing its probably 70-80 years old.. don't know anything about them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I've been woodworking for 40 years, don't own a jointer and likely never will. I do have a bench top planer, a decent table saw and an assortment of hand planes, so I've never really missed having a jointer. I flatten warped and bowed, rough sawn stock all the time, with the tools I have. I know you mentioned that you don't care for the table saw. I probably know about as many guys who have lost fingers from jointer accidents, as table saw accidents. It's all a matter of perspective. Good luck, I hope you find a suitable solution. kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, Bill WIlson said: I've been woodworking for 40 years, don't own a jointer and likely never will. I do have a bench top planer, a decent table saw and an assortment of hand planes, so I've never really missed having a jointer. I flatten warped and bowed, rough sawn stock all the time, with the tools I have. I know you mentioned that you don't care for the table saw. I probably know about as many guys who have lost fingers from jointer accidents, as table saw accidents. It's all a matter of perspective. Good luck, I hope you find a suitable solution. You are right.. I'm friends with many Nurses and Doctors.. they claim more people come in injured from routers than they do table saws.. I'm not to worried about fingers in the table saw.. but those kick backs... is what scared me.. though it's never happen to me personally.. just really freaked me out having that 2x4 wiz past my head back in middle school, LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: When I went to pick up the jointer from the motor shop today he told me the motor is fine.. it's the variable speed circuit board chip.. Just wondering Kevin why varible speed is a must have on a jointer? My jointer is a single speed and I have never found it to be an issue. Edited June 14, 2018 by stoney JTTHECLOCKMAN, tomsteve, kmmcrafts and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, stoney said: Just wondering Kevin why varible speed is a must have on a jointer? My jointer is a single speed and I have never found it to be an issue. I’m not sure why because I turnes it all the way up and that’s where it’s always been. Not sure about electric stuff but I know people have bypassed the speed control on other tools by direct wiring them. I’d thought about that being an option. Maybe I should ask the guy from the motor shop if he could do that. tomsteve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Ha, confession time, of all the years I have been woodworking, I never knew there was such a thing as a variable speed joiner! I thought they all were single speed. No matter, it is the only woodworking tool I fear, had one for a long time and found I only used it maybe once every few years. I worked around using it any way I could. Finally sold it a while back. Maybe my fear stemmed from knowing so little about them that I didn't even know they came in anything but single speed. OCtoolguy, tomsteve and kmmcrafts 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 There really is no reason for VS on a jointer. It is a sales ploy and is found on table top models. The idea is to match speeds with material you are jointing or planing. You now see planners with 2 speeds and this is for harder materials to slow the speed down so it does not burn the wood. In a jointer if you are using plastics it maybe a good idea to slow the speed down. To me the correct answer would be to accommodate different materials is to take less material off in a pass. The speed control on a jointer is not the same as a router. It will only control speeds from half the full motor rated speed. I suggest Kevin eliminate the speed control and run full out. Very easy to do just bypass the board and wire motor direct. Surprised the motor company did not suggest that to you especially on a small jointer like that.Maybe looking for a sale and is not really an up front company. Every tool in the shop can hurt but every tool in a shop does specific things and if you learn to use them properly and learn safety they are there to help make the hobby more enjoyable. You need to respect each tool but not be fearful of them. kevin keeps making a comment about kickbacks on a tablesaw, there are only a few things that can cause them and they all have to do with contact with the back of the blade. Fence not parallel to blade or slightly opened, splitter not being used and wood gets pinched when being cut , wood comes away from the fence as you advance it through the blade, or short pieces getting trapped and launched. all can be avoided but again attention to what you are doing and knowing the hazards before you operate any tool. Pieces can be launched from the front of the blade also but this cause is because they are small and a zero clearance plate is not used to prevent the pieces from falling into the saws kerf when being cut. I have said this before, to me the most overlooked tool is the router and its potential dangers. This tool can hurt by launching pieces and also grabbing you in if feed direction is wrong. Also open bit spinning at high rate of speed and many times people do not slow the router down to match bit size and potential dangers there. be safe out there. OCtoolguy, tomsteve, stoney and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjweb Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 A riving knife and standing to the left of your cut will help for kick backs, years ago when I started with the table saw I was hit in stomach with a board, that will teach real quick, kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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