OCtoolguy Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 15 hours ago, Scrappile said: Hello, the gentleman that started the thread bought a DeWalt about 35 posts ago. Yeah but it's so much fun to just "discuss" it to death. What else do we have to talk about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, octoolguy said: Yeah but it's so much fun to just "discuss" it to death. What else do we have to talk about? Scrolling and projects OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Just one final note, from me anyway, regarding buying a used Hawk I would not go older than around 2005. The older Hawks do not have the newer features introduced around that time. I may be wrong but I believe the G4 brought in the adjustable stroke , and top feed capability. Edit: I meant adjustable front back blade motion, the length of the stroke does not change. Edited December 22, 2018 by Rolf Scrappile, SCROLLSAW703 and OCtoolguy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted December 21, 2018 Report Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Rolf said: Just one final note, from me anyway, regarding buying a used Hawk I would not go older than around 2005. The older Hawks do not have the newer features introduced around that time. I may be wrong but I believe the G4 brought in the adjustable stroke, and top feed capability. Adjustable stroke? Or do you mean adjustable blade angle? I've never seen a saw with adjustable blade stroke.. The ultra saws have a two position blade stroke or blade cutting angle however you want to word it.. Can't really top feed on them though.. but that isn't an issue for a bottom feeder.. .. On another note... I've been watching the used market for Hawks now for a couple years.. and have only seen a handful of the G4 and newer saws on there.. and pretty hefty priced still.. Then you have a large crowd that still seems to think the real old ones are worth 500+ because a new one is 1200 +.. and they are always comparing it to the BM series saws of today.. which they are two completely different saws.. Something to note as well is.. My 1998 Hawk 226 Ultra came new to me still boxed.. Receipt shows they paid $1300 for the saw... They haven't raised the prices of these hardly at all over all those years... and I hope they aren't reading this.. because I want to buy a new one... not sure if it'll happen this year yet or not..so hoping the price might still be the same next year... There is a newer BM 226 series on eBay with shipping option available Buy It Now Priced at $990.. shipping to me is $100.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotshot Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: ...I've never seen a saw with adjustable blade stroke.... I pretty sure he meant adjustable front to back angle. However, the Hegner is the one saw that does have an adjustable stroke length. Hegner ships configured for the longer stroke, but for cutting thin materials, the stroke can be shortened. Not sure many people have gone to the effort to do that though. -------Randy Edited December 22, 2018 by hotshot JTTHECLOCKMAN, OCtoolguy, kmmcrafts and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) Thanks Randy, yes I did mean adjustable front back blade motion. I will edit my post. I was not aware of that capability on the Hegner. Kevin I just looked up what I paid for my G4 April 2005 $1214.00 that was with shipping. It has paid for almost all of the tools in my shop since then. Certainly one of the best tool investments I have ever made, definitely the most fun. Edited December 22, 2018 by Rolf stoney, JTTHECLOCKMAN, kmmcrafts and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkey Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 My only advice would be don't start with a piece of junk. Some of the cheap saws will vibrate from a little to a lot. Some don't have friendly blade holders. I would hate to see somebody get turned off to scrollsawing because of bad saw. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) Sorry never mind Edited February 12, 2019 by Scrappile OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 Rolf said, "If you are even slightly heavy handed you will spread the clamps and have to replace the arms. Pegas has resolved that issue with their replacement clamps." I think he means replace the clamps not arms. As I see it, the clamp design is the same. Different materials, and they add a lock nut to the left side clamping screw. But the action of holding the blade is the same, turn the adjusting knob to screw down and hold the blade. If you have a heavy hand, I can't see any reason that the clamp will not spread the way the stock excaliber clamps do. Less vibration, true they are lighter than the stock clamps. Yes I broke down and bought some. They are definitely better than what was on there - but then again a new muffler is better than the old worn out one too. My EX was used when I bought it so I have never experienced new excaliber clamps to be able to compare them to the pegas clamp. And that I think should be the starting point of a comparison, new vs new. But I can not see how any issue is resolved in terms of heavy handedness and the spreading of the clamp jaws. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 The type of material and method of manufacture makes a significant difference. I saw that with my original multi piece (8 pieces) Hawk clamps cast from I believe pot metal. The new ones were have only 4 pieces made from a solid machined piece of aluminum. I have never worn out one of these in 15 years. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 hours ago, JimErn said: Rolf said, "If you are even slightly heavy handed you will spread the clamps and have to replace the arms. Pegas has resolved that issue with their replacement clamps." I think he means replace the clamps not arms. As I see it, the clamp design is the same. Different materials, and they add a lock nut to the left side clamping screw. But the action of holding the blade is the same, turn the adjusting knob to screw down and hold the blade. If you have a heavy hand, I can't see any reason that the clamp will not spread the way the stock excaliber clamps do. Less vibration, true they are lighter than the stock clamps. Yes I broke down and bought some. They are definitely better than what was on there - but then again a new muffler is better than the old worn out one too. My EX was used when I bought it so I have never experienced new excaliber clamps to be able to compare them to the pegas clamp. And that I think should be the starting point of a comparison, new vs new. But I can not see how any issue is resolved in terms of heavy handedness and the spreading of the clamp jaws. I can compare.. My Excalibur only had about 6 hours on it and the OEM clamp was already having issues.. I know have about 50 hours on the saw.. no clamp issues... I'm not heavy handed.. My DeWalt I ran from 2008 - 2015.. same clamps and thumb / set screws... had read of issues with the DeWalt when I first bought it I bought extra clamps and a set of thumb screws.. Never opened up the packages until I got the Excalibur.. I tried changing the screws in my OEM clamps which didn't help much.. That all said.. I may very well have had a set of defective clamps from the get go. If it matters.. My saw is just before they moved production to China.. so it's not something to do with the move and the quality.. as it was made the same place all the others were made for the last however many years... OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 I was out there scrolling and when finished I compared the two, the design is the same, two ears stick out, with a screw. Could be the pegas clamp material is more resistant to the spreading of the ears, I think it is too early to tell. Hope it is true though since I bought some OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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