Bear Woods Blades Delivered And....

[kmmcrafts]

Well, I ordered several gross of blades from them... Unfortunately the two gross of #5 are the same messed up funky cut ends like the other gross of blades I had... was hoping to get a couple good packages of blades until Pegas got their issue fixed... I might just have to send these back.. I don't really need 3 gross of these screwed up blades... LOL..  DnD is sold out is why I bought from Bear Woods... These blades work okay in the DeWalt and Ex type saws where the blade length doesn't affect blade tension... but they can't be used in the Hawks... I suspected this could happen... The gross of #3 and #7 I ordered seem okay... Maybe I need to make me a jig so I can clip these funky ends off at the right length every time so the tension isn't compromised when using them with the Hawk..

[NC Scroller]

Will be real interesting to see how Bear Woods handles the defected blades.  Sorry you are going through all this pain.

[WayneMahler]

Sorry to hear this Kevin. Please keep us posted as to ow Bear Woods treat this. 

[Scrappile]

I have some of the blades with the funny cut ends.  I always grind the ends of all my blades to a point before using them (bottom feeder, helps get them started in the holes), so I have not noticed a problem with the length of these blades even in my Hegner.  It is length sensitive I would think, maybe not a sensitive as a Hawk.

[kmmcrafts]

I know DnD took it upon themselves to replace the blades and hoped to get refunded for the defective blades.. When I went to check that out they was sold out of stock.. Maybe not sold out.. but out of stock on the web site.. might be that they don't have any good ones in stock, LOL 

So then I seen BW's had them in stock.. so I ordered two gross hoping that I got some before the bad batch.. or some of the new ones that might have the issue resolved.. only to have both packs bad.. Oh well.. 

I think after the holiday I'll contact BW just to see what they say about it.. and at least let them know so that some other person doesn't get a bad batch.. It's not a huge deal because I can just snip the ends off.. but doing so and getting the correct length is kind of tricky.. though I'm starting to get use to it now, was a real pain during the holiday rush orders.. and I got fed up enough that I just started using the Excalibur and the DeWalt instead of the Hawk.. as no need to cut them at all on the other saws.. 

 

[scrollingforsanity]

Kevin I just ordered some #3 and #5  Pegas MG blades from Lesley's Patterns LTD.  $36.00 a gross. They shipped quickly but because of the Holiday I have not received them yet I will let you know how they turn out as soon as I receive them. To bad you are having problems. I ordered a couple gross FD blades from WTB a couple weeks ago, they would not cut worth a darn. Called WTB up and they contacted the factory and sure enough they had a problem. WTB replaced them very quickly.  Pegas is not the only ones with issues.

grizz

[Rockytime]

I wish Wooden Teddy Bear carried Pegas blades. I would order everything from them. Their service is impeccable.

[rjweb]

I agree woodenteddy bear is really great to work with, good price and fast service with delivery, RJ 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Kevin a man of your caliber should be able to figure the cutting the blade thing. I keep a pair of diagonal pliers next to the saw and after the first cut I instantly know how much to cut off. If you do not get down to the exact MM it is not going to matter on the Hawk. You over cut a smidge it is not going to matter. try it and do not be afraid. All you do is install in lower blade as you normally do and with the arm down lay the blade against the clamp and shoot for the top pin on the clamp. Could not be any easier on the Hawk. Now is that enough to get rid of the bad ends you talk about I do not know because I never used Pegas blades and have no intentions. Love the FD blades. 

[kmmcrafts]

 

1 hour ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Kevin a man of your caliber should be able to figure the cutting the blade thing. I keep a pair of diagonal pliers next to the saw and after the first cut I instantly know how much to cut off. If you do not get down to the exact MM it is not going to matter on the Hawk. You over cut a smidge it is not going to matter. try it and do not be afraid. All you do is install in lower blade as you normally do and with the arm down lay the blade against the clamp and shoot for the top pin on the clamp. Could not be any easier on the Hawk. Now is that enough to get rid of the bad ends you talk about I do not know because I never used Pegas blades and have no intentions. Love the FD blades. 

Well there is a little more to it than just the length.. They also have a notch cutout in the ( most times ) top of the blade.. about anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 inch down from the top.. this notch gets hung up in the pilot holes.. so it takes some fiddling around to get the blades through the hole.. then about 1/3 of the time while fiddling with getting this notch through the hole since the notch makes the blade thinner in that spot.. it also bends easy in that spot.. If I can keep from bending them.. the blades are decent.. but once I bend it in this thin spot.. more times than not. it breaks during the cutout in that spot... Some blades.. I never even get to use because they'll snap before I get them fed through the hole.. seem to be brittle in that spot.. The blades are weaker in that area.. have to cut both ends of every blade.. this isn't something I should Have To put up with for 3 gross of blades that I have..  Yes.. I can cut them but there is still the issue of that notch.. plus.. should a customer ( me ) have to deal with a companies defective product? Pay decent money for 3 gross of bad blades..

Zoom in on the picture.. Blade on left is defective... right side is what it should be... I've figured out the correct length is just cutting this tip off the Top and Bottom as both have that little extra nub which was giving me too long a blade.. not a big deal to snip it off really with some side cutters.. That notch gets caught in the hole of my stack and almost every time i bend the blade there and it will break in that spot.. 

The notch doesn't seem to bother when cutting solid wood ( clocks ) but dang.. using 3 gross of bad blades only for cutting clocks... going to be a long year with these things if I keep using them. LOL.. I wouldn't complain about it if I was just hobby cutting.. and if it was just a few dozen blades.. 

Kinda like buying a loaf of bread that is moldy on the crust.. you can peel the crust off and still use it.. feed it to the birds.. put it to use somehow.. but why?  You paid for it to eat yourself.. and the initial reason you bought it was to eat.. do you just deal with the loaf of bread or take it back.. at a discounted price you'd be happy to give it to the creatures but you're still out a loaf of bread.. I can use the blades.. but should I fight with them and try to use them.. or do I try to send them back.. I seem to break about 3 -5 out of every dozen.. is it worth the full price I paid and the frustration.. Not bad now that my holiday rush is over.. I can use them still.. just not sure that I should..since some are breaking... some don't break until they are getting dull anyway..but it's a toss up.. Also the issue if I send them back... how long before I get some good ones in stock.. maybe dealing with a few bad blades is better than not having any blades at all..  

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Oh, well that is a different story and I am not aware of that because I do not use those blades. Hope you work things out. 

[Scrappile]

Some I have have the very top cut like that, but I have not run across any yet that have the notch cut into it.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

Sure seems like that notch would weaken the blades. Not liking that design. Maybe they are redesigning and that is why they are not available and what is available is older stock left on the shelves.

[kmmcrafts]

28 minutes ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Sure seems like that notch would weaken the blades. Not liking that design. Maybe they are redesigning and that is why they are not available and what is available is older stock left on the shelves.

DnD had contacted the manufacture and there is a known issue with the blades... something happen with one of the machines set up.. They are supposedly fixing the error and the blades will go back to what they were.. At least this is what I've heard.. meanwhile other dealers must not know of the issue.. since BW sent me out 2 gross of them. .. I guess I'd have thought Pegas would have let the dealers know.. so they didn't sell them but.. then.. they may have no idea or means of contacting all the people that are selling the blades.. so who knows.. anyway... Pegas knows and is supposedly fixing the problem.. wonder how many blades got past quality control... then.. this day and age.. QC is about useless anyway.. places I've worked in the past was more worried about getting the numbers on paper for their shift even though they knew very well they was running 8 hours production of scrap.. and many companies operate on this numbers thing rather than quality... never understood that logic myself but.. 

[SCROLLSAW703]

How Much difference in length are you talkin', Mr.Kevin? 

With some research, or possibly contacting pegasus themselves to discuss the issue, it wouldn't take much to find out what the deal is. I don't use pegasus blades, to old school I reckon. I still like flyin' dutchman and olson blades better'n any of them.

In the meantime, were it me, unless it brings the indentation to close to the blade clamp, what would be wrong with taking your full length off the end with the indentation? Bringing the length down to might near eliminating your trouble, Sir.

Just my couple pennies worth. 

Sawdust703(brad)

[Woodrush]

I bought some gross of 5 and 3 from BW and mine have a notch at the end of the blade which I've never seen with pegas before. I've been using them for about 2 years. I thought it was a new design for installing the blade properly 

[kmmcrafts]

19 hours ago, SCROLLSAW703 said:

How Much difference in length are you talkin', Mr.Kevin? 

With some research, or possibly contacting pegasus themselves to discuss the issue, it wouldn't take much to find out what the deal is. I don't use pegasus blades, to old school I reckon. I still like flyin' dutchman and olson blades better'n any of them.

In the meantime, were it me, unless it brings the indentation to close to the blade clamp, what would be wrong with taking your full length off the end with the indentation? Bringing the length down to might near eliminating your trouble, Sir.

Just my couple pennies worth. 

Sawdust703(brad)

Some are only slightly off while others may be 1/8 too long or more.. That notch is 1/4 - 3/8 or better down from the end or where the end should be so cutting it off that low would make a awful short blade. 

If this is a new thing, I'll be going back to FD blades.. but my understanding is they know of some sort of issue... so I'm thinking it's going to be resolved. But guessing it could be some time before all these bad blades trickle through the system.. 

[Paladin]

On 12/30/2018 at 5:30 PM, scrollingforsanity said:

Kevin I just ordered some #3 and #5  Pegas MG blades from Lesley's Patterns LTD.  $36.00 a gross. They shipped quickly but because of the Holiday I have not received them yet I will let you know how they turn out as soon as I receive them. To bad you are having problems. I ordered a couple gross FD blades from WTB a couple weeks ago, they would not cut worth a darn. Called WTB up and they contacted the factory and sure enough they had a problem. WTB replaced them very quickly.  Pegas is not the only ones with issues.

grizz

Grizz,

What kind of FD blades did you order?  I ordered 3 gross of my favorite FD-PSR #3 blades a few weeks ago, and from the moment I took them out of the package they seemed wrong.  The blade didn't even feel right holding it in my hand, and they don't cut worth a darn (I've used in excess of 2k of this exact blade over the years).  They are jumping around corners and burning the wood on tight turns - both things that I have never experienced with the FD-PSR before.  I was thinking of contacting WTB and seeing if they had changed manufacturers or something.

[scrollingforsanity]

Palidin, I ordered the  FDPSR1 blade. I have used these for some time and immediately noticed something wrong when I received the blades. They did exactly as you described. Jumping, burning, and seemed quite dull. I called WTB and they said they had not had any complaints and to try a couple more dozen, which I did. Still the same results. I called WTB and she said they had more complaints and they would get in touch with the manufacture. About four days later I received new blades to replace the bad ones and a phone call to see if I was satisfied.. These seem to be okay. I would definitely give them a call. 

grizz

[Paladin]

I will contact them.  Thanks for the info.