Rockytime Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Has anyone heard or used these blade clamps? More specifically has anyone used them on a Hawk? What is your experience? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 24, 2019 Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 I use to see a lot of talk about these several years ago.. many people loved the retro fit clamps etc.. What I'd like to know is... what is modified with the Hawk clamp.. They really need to show what it is that you're actually getting / improving for the Hawk... Back in the day before Delta discontinued the quickset II blade clamp.. they use to make a retrofit kit that would make the Delta clamp fit most any saw... the Quikset clamps from Delta are some really nice clamps.. most older saws have / came with them.. I believe Rolf has the kit installed on his Hawk G4 and uses the Delta clamps.. Since Delta discontinued the clamps and the parts became obsolete I don't see much mention of these retro fit systems anymore.. and those Hawk clamps look like the factory clamps to me... so that is why i wonder what are you really getting if anything other than a stock clamp.. LOL OCtoolguy and SCROLLSAW703 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2019 Looking at their web site there is very little information with just a couple of photos which do not show detail. Neither does the site explain why they are superior to the regular Hawk clamps. If I see things that are significant improvement over what I have now I often purchase them. Significant improvement is the key. Always like to hear about new things. OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordamir Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 why don't you give him a call OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 I would gladly do that except that my hearing loss is so severe I can't use a telephone. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Rockytime said: I would gladly do that except that my hearing loss is so severe I can't use a telephone. Well, there are always smoke signals Les. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Yes there are but I'm just curious. My Hawk clamps are great. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 25, 2019 Report Share Posted January 25, 2019 Pretty sure this was discussed on another forum, believe it was on the fox chapel forum. Anyway if I remember correctly they said the Hawk clamps are just the same as the factory ones. But they used to sell a retro fit for the Hawk to use the quickset Delta saw clamps. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 Pozsgai no longer offers the delta quick clamp to fit a hawk scroll saw. delta stopped making them a while back. i have heard that harbor freight scroll saws have a copy of the delta clamp on them but have not verified this as of yet. maybe worth a look i dont know. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 I do have the retrofit Delta clamps on my Hawk G4. And I keep my eyes open for rusty old delta saws at yard sales to scavenge the clamps. That said the only difference between the replacement standard Hawk clamps from Pozgai and Hawk is $6. The replacement upper arm assembly is different form the older hawks like my G4 as it allows you to pop the upper clamp in and out like it does on the bottom. At least that is what I think from looking at the image. That would be a great upgrade for the older Hawks that have the fixed clamps. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted February 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 Thanks Rolf. I have a 220 Ultra and the clamps work very well so I'll not keep looking for improvement. The Quick clamp just made me curious. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 1, 2019 Report Share Posted February 1, 2019 For your information... Hawk sells an upgraded upper clamp and tension mechanism for the older Hawks.. I found out when calling about my tension lever would pop up once I started sawing.. I thought it was worn wedges as they will also cause similar issue.. turned out to be the tension mechanism was badly worn.. and I had a very old style that had no adjustment screw underneath like the newer saws have.. They sold me a kit that upgraded my old Hawk with the BM series upper clamp mechanism and it came with new upper blade clamps and the whole tension mechanism.. I had to take the upper arm off and press the punch pin out and change out the whole thing... My upper clamp on my old 1993 Hawk is now removable... that said.. to my knowledge I don't see any real advantage to that for my old saw since the lower clamps are still the old barrel clamp.. and the lower arm sits back behind the angle adjustment anyway... so it's not like I can top feed with this set-up.. I upgraded because I wanted the adjustable tension cam.. otherwise I was back to having to replace the whole thing again when it wears out... by upgrading I only have to change the cam and lever... OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 7 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: For your information... Hawk sells an upgraded upper clamp and tension mechanism for the older Hawks.. I found out when calling about my tension lever would pop up once I started sawing.. I thought it was worn wedges as they will also cause similar issue.. turned out to be the tension mechanism was badly worn.. and I had a very old style that had no adjustment screw underneath like the newer saws have.. They sold me a kit that upgraded my old Hawk with the BM series upper clamp mechanism and it came with new upper blade clamps and the whole tension mechanism.. I had to take the upper arm off and press the punch pin out and change out the whole thing... My upper clamp on my old 1993 Hawk is now removable... that said.. to my knowledge I don't see any real advantage to that for my old saw since the lower clamps are still the old barrel clamp.. and the lower arm sits back behind the angle adjustment anyway... so it's not like I can top feed with this set-up.. I upgraded because I wanted the adjustable tension cam.. otherwise I was back to having to replace the whole thing again when it wears out... by upgrading I only have to change the cam and lever... Kevin, You have touched on a subject that is of interest to me. I don't want to hijack this thread so I won't go into it here but I might shoot you a PM and we can go from there. kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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