kmmcrafts Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Bill you bring up a lot of good points about where the saw is made etc.... The awesome price that they are selling these saws now will probably drive down the market of used ones.. or make them harder to sell? Those that shop used might consider keeping an eye out for the China made one.. not sure if the China one will be a problematic saw or not.. but it'll sure make used shopping more interesting to figure out with all these different saw options now. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotshot Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Bill WIlson said: ...I was surprised that Steve wasn't familiar with the dust collection on the Pegas. His EX must be older and not include it. .... I had that exact same thought. His EX is "Green" so it doesn't have the dust collection nor does his Seyco, but his Jet does have a similar-ish system, so he should have been somewhat familiar. Also, he has been to clubs and woodworking shows and such, so it seem surprising he hasn't seen the underside of the Newer Ex style saws as they have been on the market since that first Black "Anniversary" edition years ago. I guess he never looked. Edited February 6, 2019 by hotshot OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 When I purchased my new Ex, the dust collection they had came off shortly after the hold down thingy. Steve Good needs to use the Pegas dust collection while cutting something that has little pieces coming off, like intricate scroll work. I think his praise for it might change. But of the four like saws, Excalibur, King, Seyco and now Pegas, I think my money if I had any would got to the Pegas, based on price, the better clamps and the pretty red color! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, JimErn said: Back to the subject of detents, adjustable detents, maybe 3-4 of them would really attract me. I'd like to be able to set zero degrees, and then a couple of stops left and right of zero. If the pagas saw detants can adjust all the way down toward zero for small angles, rather just within a range of the presets, 22.5 and 45, I wish someone would say so in their review Jim, I'm not quite sure what you are wanting. I'm sure the saw can be adjusted to any degree between 0' - 45' by turning the knob. In the picture, you can get an idea of where the stops are by the holes in the front plate. Looks like 22.5, 30 and 45, which are good stops for a table saw, but not a lot of use on scroll saw. Seyco does have some little things you can slid in the slot and set a stop if there is a degree you use often. But I like the rack and pinion type adjuster better as opposed to hand pushing the head to a degree. Edited February 6, 2019 by Scrappile OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Yea, the rack & pinion angle adjustment is pretty sweet. Combine that with a Wixey digital angle gauge and setting angles is a snap. Doesn't the Seyco have a digital angle indicator built in? That would be a nice feature, but I use my Wixey on other tools as well, so I would have one anyway. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 The wixey gauge comes on the Seyco and you can easily remove it and put it back on. I use mine on the table saw mostly, may use it on the Seyco when I do inlay. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scruffydog Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 Serious question: Why is a precise angle important? I know why you cut on an angle, but does it really matter if the angle is not exact? What are you using it for that requires precision? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotshot Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Scruffydog said: Serious question: Why is a precise angle important? I know why you cut on an angle, but does it really matter if the angle is not exact? What are you using it for that requires precision? If you are doing double bevel inlay, the angle determines how far down the inlay piece will sit. So, I always do test cuts and adjust angle until the inlay sits flush. If your saw will allow you to jump to precise angles, you can make a note of your optimal settings, and get to the desired inlay setup much more quickly. Even then, I would still test cut to verify angle is spot on. If you are doing bowls, if your angle is off, the rings won't line up correctly. This is usually fixable with a lot of sanding, but it's better to have that angle right. If you are doing puzzles or puzzle boxes, you need that blade at exactly 90% or the pieces won't slide in and out freely. If the blade is not at 90% when you are cutting a narrow slice in a thick piece of wood, your blade could come out the side of your cut towards the bottom, or be thicker at the bottom, messing up your piece. In intricate 3D pieces (like chess pieces), this is very very important. That said, the angles other than 90% that I use would not be helped by the "stops." However, the Wixey is very valuable for those odd angles that have to be exact. Hope that helped -------Randy Edited February 6, 2019 by hotshot kmmcrafts, OCtoolguy and Scruffydog 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Scrappile said: Jim, I'm not quite sure what you are wanting. I'm sure the saw can be adjusted to any degree between 0' - 45' by turning the knob. In the picture, you can get an idea of where the stops are by the holes in the front plate. Looks like 22.5, 30 and 45, which are good stops for a table saw, but not a lot of use on scroll saw. Seyco does have some little things you can slid in the slot and set a stop if there is a degree you use often. But I like the rack and pinion type adjuster better as opposed to hand pushing the head to a degree. Yes I know you can adjust the rack & pinion where you want it (Ex21), but, I would like to put stops at 2.5* and 4.5* and maybe 18* those are the angles I use, I never cut cove molding on the scroll saw so 22.5 doesn't make sense to me, and 45? OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 23 minutes ago, JimErn said: Yes I know you can adjust the rack & pinion where you want it (Ex21), but, I would like to put stops at 2.5* and 4.5* and maybe 18* those are the angles I use, I never cut cove molding on the scroll saw so 22.5 doesn't make sense to me, and 45? I suppose that you could drill holes where you want your popular settings to be. The pin is a spring loaded push pin that you just push in and turn the lock knob. Then release the pin and it retracts. Not a difficult thing to fix. Just sayin...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 6, 2019 Report Share Posted February 6, 2019 2 hours ago, hotshot said: If you are doing double bevel inlay, the angle determines how far down the inlay piece will sit. So, I always do test cuts and adjust angle until the inlay sits flush. If your saw will allow you to jump to precise angles, you can make a note of your optimal settings, and get to the desired inlay setup much more quickly. Even then, I would still test cut to verify angle is spot on. If you are doing bowls, if your angle is off, the rings won't line up correctly. This is usually fixable with a lot of sanding, but it's better to have that angle right. If you are doing puzzles or puzzle boxes, you need that blade at exactly 90% or the pieces won't slide in and out freely. If the blade is not at 90% when you are cutting a narrow slice in a thick piece of wood, your blade could come out the side of your cut towards the bottom, or be thicker at the bottom, messing up your piece. In intricate 3D pieces (like chess pieces), this is very very important. That said, the angles other than 90% that I use would not be helped by the "stops." However, the Wixey is very valuable for those odd angles that have to be exact. Hope that helped -------Randy Hey Randy, not sure if you saw a previous post about how to put a degree symbol in your posts but it is really easy. Just hold down the Alt key and type 0176 and it will put that symbol right where you want it. If you already knew that, I ask your forgiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotshot Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 hours ago, octoolguy said: Hey Randy, not sure if you saw a previous post about how to put a degree symbol in your posts but it is really easy. Just hold down the Alt key and type 0176 and it will put that symbol right where you want it. If you already knew that, I ask your forgiveness. On the Mac, it is Shift-Option-8 OCtoolguy and Scrappile 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 I will never remember!! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 54 minutes ago, hotshot said: On the Mac, it is Shift-Option-8 What's a "mac"? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 A mac is a computer and like a Hegner, I keeps on working while you are trying to get you Windows PC to.... Rob, meflick and Scruffydog 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawson56 Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 Enjoyed the Video,Love the matt you have,did it come the saw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfold Posted February 7, 2019 Report Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, lawson56 said: Enjoyed the Video,Love the matt you have,did it come the saw? Steve has put a video on Youtube about the matt. It doesn't come with the saw. Hope nobody minds me 'butting' in on this conversation, but it's the 'only' thing I know as I have one Edited February 7, 2019 by Foxfold OCtoolguy, lawson56 and kmmcrafts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawson56 Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 22 hours ago, Foxfold said: Steve has put a video on Youtube about the matt. It doesn't come with the saw. Hope nobody minds me 'butting' in on this conversation, but it's the 'only' thing I know as I have one Enjoyed the Video,Love the matt you have,did it come the saw? Thank you. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfold Posted February 8, 2019 Report Share Posted February 8, 2019 32 minutes ago, lawson56 said: Enjoyed the Video,Love the matt you have,did it come the saw? Thank you. No I bought it separately, OCtoolguy and lawson56 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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