Well Look at the Mess I Created

[Scrappile]

Been wanting to hook up a dust collection separator for some time.  Either a Dust Deputy or a Duststopper, are the ones I know about.  After watching a couple YouTube videos comparing the two, they compared so close that I went for the cheaper, the Duststopper from Home Depot.  The reason I wanted one is the bags and filters for the Fein Dust extractor can get expensive quick.  The do last a long time if I just use it on my scroll saws, but if I vacuum the floors with it, they fill up quicker.  Anyway. I went to HD and got a Duststopper and a bucket.  I also got the flexible rubber 90° connector and the rubber sleeved nipple for the two connections I needed.  The Duststopper (DS) comes with a 36" hose and one 90° fitting.  I wish it came with two.  To purchase a second on to fit the vacuum system was around $15 with the shipping.  PVC fittings did not fit.  Any way this it the messy way it is temporarily set up.  One of these days I will find a shorter hose that will hook into my Fein and go to the dust collection on the saws.  When I first used it with the HD bucket, It started collapsing the bucket!  I solved this problem by removing the 3/4" modular loc-line nozzles on the bottom dust collection so in effect it became 1".  I also switch to a Behr Paint bucket I had because it is a heavier bucket.  This system, although ugly, works great!  For some reason it even reduces the suction noise down to where I can hear the Fein running also.

 

Edited April 7, 2019 by Scrappile

[tgiro]

Looks good - and, if it works, Great!

I looked at the Dust Stoppers. They looked to be little commercial version of Thien Filters, developed by Phil Thien, a number of years ago. I built one to fit a 39 gallon trash can as the first stage for my DC a few years ago. It took my filter bag changes from once a month down to once every 4 - 5 months. SInce the Filter is in the shop, I don't have to go outside, in the snow or rain, to empty it.

I think you'll like the Dust Stopper.

 

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, Scrappile said:

Been wanting to hook up a dust collection separator for some time.  Either a Dust Deputy or a Duststopper, are the ones I know about.  After watching a couple YouTube videos comparing the two, they compared so close that I went for the cheaper, the Duststopper from Home Depot.  The reason I wanted one is the bags and filters for the Fein Dust extractor can get expensive quick.  The do last a long time if I just use it on my scroll saws, but if I vacuum the floors with it, they fill up quicker.  Anyway. I went to HD and got a Duststopper and a bucket.  I also got the flexible rubber 90° connector and the rubber sleeved nipple for the two connections I needed.  The Duststopper (DS) comes with a 36" hose and one 90° fitting.  I wish it came with two.  To purchase a second on to fit the vacuum system was around $15 with the shipping.  PVC fittings did not fit.  Any way this it the messy way it is temporarily set up.  One of these days I will find a shorter hose that will hook into my Fein and go to the dust collection on the saws.  When I first used it with the HD bucket, It started collapsing the bucket!  I solved this problem by removing the 3/4" modular loc-line nozzles on the bottom dust collection so in effect it became 1".  I also switch to a Behr Paint bucket I had because it is a heavier bucket.  This system, although ugly, works great!  For some reason it even reduces the suction noise down to where I can hear the Fein running also.

 

Thanks Paul. I was not aware of this H/D offering. I want to put a small system outside of my shop for when I set up outside. I have a Fein/Dustdeputy inside and a big Ridgid 16 gallon for outside and have been thinking about building a cyclone system. This will solve my problem.

 

[Scrappile]

On 4/7/2019 at 10:57 AM, octoolguy said:

Thanks Paul. I was not aware of this H/D offering. I want to put a small system outside of my shop for when I set up outside. I have a Fein/Dustdeputy inside and a big Ridgid 16 gallon for outside and have been thinking about building a cyclone system. This will solve my problem.

 

Three things I like better about the DS over the DD, 1: does not stand as tall above the bucket so less top heavy. 2: easier to remove the lid from the bucket to empty the bucket, than to remove the DD lid from the bucket.   Those lids for 5 gallon buckets do not come off easy for my old stiff hands and 3: a little cheaper setup.  

Edited April 10, 2019 by Scrappile

[teachnlearn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Woodsmith did this and I have seen similar variations. Have a portable vac and the attachments, don't have a cart or cyclone. A grocery store went out of business and we got a grocery cart that I load and unload to take the vac out to the car. 'live in apartment'.  Been looking at this hose and the orange one in the comparison below.  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000AV78B/ref=psdc_13397451_t3_B00FX34QEU

RJF

 

[Rob]

If the suction is too strong and collapses the bucket, another option is to add another bucket.  One stacked inside the other will prevent it from collapsing. 

Rob

[OCtoolguy]

6 hours ago, Scrappile said:

Been wanting to hook up a dust collection separator for some time.  Either a Dust Deputy or a Duststopper, are the ones I know about.  After watching a couple YouTube videos comparing the two, they compared so close that I went for the cheaper, the Duststopper from Home Depot.  The reason I wanted one is the bags and filters for the Fein Dust extractor can get expensive quick.  The do last a long time if I just use it on my scroll saws, but if I vacuum the floors with it, they fill up quicker.  Anyway. I went to HD and got a Duststopper and a bucket.  I also got the flexible rubber 90° connector and the rubber sleeved nipple for the two connections I needed.  The Duststopper (DS) comes with a 36" hose and one 90° fitting.  I wish it came with two.  To purchase a second on to fit the vacuum system was around $15 with the shipping.  PVC fittings did not fit.  Any way this it the messy way it is temporarily set up.  One of these days I will find a shorter hose that will hook into my Fein and go to the dust collection on the saws.  When I first used it with the HD bucket, It started collapsing the bucket!  I solved this problem by removing the 3/4" modular loc-line nozzles on the bottom dust collection so in effect it became 1".  I also switch to a Behr Paint bucket I had because it is a heavier bucket.  This system, although ugly, works great!  For some reason it even reduces the suction noise down to where I can hear the Fein running also.

 

Paul, when I first bought my Fein/Dust Deputy, I thought I might have to make something to work with the vac and I found that you can buy just the male end to replace the one on the hose if it became worn. I ordered one but then found a way to do a workaround. Anyway, if you think it might be beneficial, that part is available and I think it was only about $5. I'll try to figure out where I bought it. It's been a while and my memory/ram is not what it used to be.

 

[Scrappile]

@octoolguy The main part I am having trouble with it the end of the Fein hose that goes into the vacuum when the DS is not connected.  Mine has nubbin on it the goes in and you twist to lock the hose in so it doesn't pull out when vacuuming.  I it didn't have that Nubbin on it, it would slip right into the inlet on the DS.  I do not want to remove the nubbin, so I came up with the rubber nipple hose clamps setup. 

[OCtoolguy]

I just ran across this video. I have a similar vacuum and I will be building this. It is going to be perfect for my outside vac. 

 

 

[kmmcrafts]

I'm glad you posted this topic.. I had been looking at the china made dust separator, but I like the more compact design etc of the one you show here.. plus it's cheaper than the actual dust deputy.. These are a great deal and work well too ( brother in aw has one on a sandblasting cabinet..)  but I like the more compact of the one you have..

 https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dust-Collector-Dust-Seperater-Household-Cyclone-SN50T-Industrial-High-Efficiency/283443009681?hash=item41fe851891:g:WwAAAOSwaKVcqKv6

 

[Scrappile]

That is one cool little cart.  I guess on the Fein I would have to mount it on piece of plywood with casters.  he doesn't mention where he got the second 90° elbow.  It doesn't come on the DS only one is included.  

That guy does one of the comparisons i watch;

 

[JimErn]

I have two of these in use, two shop vacs different locations, they work well too

https://www.amazon.com/WOODRIVER-Mini-Dust-Collection-Separator/dp/B0035YD2LM/ref=sr_1_62?crid=1XMSSFQ7PZZH6&keywords=shop+dust+collector&qid=1554716256&s=gateway&sprefix=shopp+dust+coll%2Caps%2C181&sr=8-62

Collapse the bucket?  as long as there is air flowing through it, it will not collapse, restrict the hose openings and it might

[CharleyL]

 

When I moved my Dust Deputy from my shop vac to a re-purposed whole house central vac unit that I had acquired from the neighbors when they remodeled their house, It collapsed the first bucket that I was using almost instantly when a planer shaving partially blocked the end of the hose (I was vacuuming the floor). I had used this same bucket with the Dust Deputy and my shop vac and the shop vac had never done this. The suction level of the central vac was obviously much higher than the shop vac. I studied the situation and realized that the 5 gallon plastic bucket that I was using had ribs around the upper third of the bucket, but no ribs around the lower 2/3. So I stacked 3 buckets together and the top one became the collection bucket. This gave me ribs the full length of the collection bucket and tripled the bucket wall thickness. This solved my collapsing bucket problem and I used the system this way until my son brought me a 20 gallon metal grease barrel. The barrel was already clean inside because the grease comes in a plastic bag inside the barrel. I switched to this metal barrel so I don't have to dump it as often, and my system has been working fine for me ever since. I installed the central vac pipes in the walls of my shop and have inlets located in two places in the shop, one in the shop attic, and one through the outside wall next to the passage door. The 25' hose lets me reach anywhere in my shop and I can take it outside to vacuum my cars and trucks. 

The strong plastic buckets that I was using came from Firehouse Subs. The chain sells their used pickle buckets for $2 each and the money is donated to the local fire company, so a win-win both ways. These buckets work great, with one exception. Recirculating the air through the dust collector and back into the shop will make the shop smell like a huge dill pickle. Nothing seems to remove this smell from these buckets quickly, although leaving them outside in the Sun with the lids off for about a week seemed to work the best.  They are very good, strong, and cheap buckets though.

I now have a second Dust Deputy and use it with my shop vac. It doesn't get used often because most of the time I'm using the central vacuum, but there are times when my son or I need a portable vacuum, so the shop vac / Dust Deputy and Firehouse bucket system gets used.  It is great not having to clean the shop vac filter or keep replacing the bags. There is never more than a light trace of super fine dust on the collection container of the vac units. The Dust Deputy does a great job of separating out everything else. The central vacuum is vented to the outdoors, so even this micro fine stuff (the dangerous dust) never makes it back into my shop. When possible, we add a hose to the exhaust of the shop vac system and vent it to the outdoors too.

Charley

 

Edited April 8, 2019 by CharleyL

[Scrappile]

I don't mind the smell of dill pickles!    and I love their sub-sandwiches!  If you do some house painting, the Behr 5 gallon buckets are very heavy built also.  I did not realize there is such a difference in 5 gallon buckets.  

I contacted Dustopper.com and enquired about where they recommended getting extra 90° elbows.  Got a response that they sell them for $8 including shipping.  Most places I look, like Dust Deputy, they wanted $5 for the elbow, +$9+ for shipping.  Kind of cumbersome the way you have to order them right now because the do not have a store yet, well here is their response:

"Hi Paul:

 

The process is a bit clunky, but it works. Please send me your address and phone number, then I can send you an invoice for an elbow from my PayPal account. After you pay that with a credit card, I can ship that day or the next. The price is $8.00, which includes shipping.

 

There will soon be a utility that allows for purchases from our website, but the current site design is not as secure as we want, and looks too amateurish. We are in negotiations with a top-notch company to manage our online business.

 

Send me your address and phone number (in case there’s a problem), and I’ll get you what you need.

 

Tom Huntley, President"

I responded this A.M. and already have the Paypal invoice.  We will see how it goes.

 

[OCtoolguy]

3 hours ago, Scrappile said:

I don't mind the smell of dill pickles!    and I love their sub-sandwiches!  If you do some house painting, the Behr 5 gallon buckets are very heavy built also.  I did not realize there is such a difference in 5 gallon buckets.  

I contacted Dustopper.com and enquired about where they recommended getting extra 90° elbows.  Got a response that they sell them for $8 including shipping.  Most places I look, like Dust Deputy, they wanted $5 for the elbow, +$9+ for shipping.  Kind of cumbersome the way you have to order them right now because the do not have a store yet, well here is their response:

"Hi Paul:

 

The process is a bit clunky, but it works. Please send me your address and phone number, then I can send you an invoice for an elbow from my PayPal account. After you pay that with a credit card, I can ship that day or the next. The price is $8.00, which includes shipping.

 

There will soon be a utility that allows for purchases from our website, but the current site design is not as secure as we want, and looks too amateurish. We are in negotiations with a top-notch company to manage our online business.

 

Send me your address and phone number (in case there’s a problem), and I’ll get you what you need.

 

Tom Huntley, President"

I responded this A.M. and already have the Paypal invoice.  We will see how it goes.

 

Deleted. I went back and re-read your original post and answered my own question. Sorry.

 

Edited April 8, 2019 by octoolguy

[Rockytime]

I had a Dust deputy. I did not like the height of it. Seemed too flimsy and besides I  did not have room for it in the shop. I gave it away.

[Scrappile]

On 4/7/2019 at 4:02 PM, octoolguy said:

Paul, when I first bought my Fein/Dust Deputy, I thought I might have to make something to work with the vac and I found that you can buy just the male end to replace the one on the hose if it became worn. I ordered one but then found a way to do a workaround. Anyway, if you think it might be beneficial, that part is available and I think it was only about $5. I'll try to figure out where I bought it. It's been a while and my memory/ram is not what it used to be.

 

Is this a Fein part? Do you have a link to were you purchased it?   May work for me.  Thanks

[OCtoolguy]

16 minutes ago, Scrappile said:

Is this a Fein part? Do you have a link to were you purchased it?   May work for me.  Thanks

Paul, I bought it from eReplacement parts but I just checked and it's no longer available. At this point, I have no real need for it. If you think you might need it I'll send it to you. I think it cost me about $10 w/shipping and all. Let me know. I think we might better know what model vac we each have. The hose fitting might be different since they discontinued that part. My vac is the early one that was made in Italy. I can't come up with the model number right now but I will.

 

 

Edited April 10, 2019 by octoolguy

[Scrappile]

I have a turbo II, doesn't look like what I remember the picture of yours.  I looked at ereplacement and the part there does not look like the end of my vac hose. 

[OCtoolguy]

57 minutes ago, Scrappile said:

I have a turbo II, doesn't look like what I remember the picture of yours.  I looked at ereplacement and the part there does not look like the end of my vac hose. 

Have you looked to see if yours is available as a replacement part?

 

[Rolf]

If the vacuum is collapsing the bucket would it be better to introduce a leak in the system so as not to strain or overheat the vac when running for an extended period of time. ?

There are some great ideas in this thread! especially for those of us that are space limited. 

[Scrappile]

Increasing the size of the "nozzle" seem to be enough.  My hose coupler also has a ring on it you can turn, there is a hole under there and in the ring.   You can adjust vacuum with that.