heppnerguy Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 Some of you may remember the 'experimental venture' plaque I posted a few days ago and how I was trying to learn something a little different for me. It did bring up a few interesting comments and some comments about exactly what it was I was trying to do. So the subject of 'segmentation' was brought up and that is exactly what these three items in these photos are. The ones with the black lines are the ones that I am trying to learn to do. I find for some applications they are perfect but for others I prefer without the lines. The two flower examples are to show the differences. Keep in mind that none of these are meant to be 'kept or finished' items. Neither of the flowers are finished and even glued. I was not striving for a finished item but only to show examples so you may understand better, what it is that I am trying to learn. In the last example, there are a couple of things one can do to add some interest, of which I did only one of. That is, to raise a part of it. In this example the flower is raised and stands above the leaves. The other thing one can do with this type of segmentation, (which is the normal way segmentation is done ) is to also shape the entire piece, so that is turns out to be more like intarsia but all cut from one piece of wood. I did not choose to shape any of it because that was not the purpose of this experiment. The example with the black lines limits it to exactly what you see, as far as I understand the process and does not give an opportunity for shaping the item. The lined piece can be of value for cartoon characters and some sign plaques. Please keep in mind the poor workmanship and lack of finish is because I did this just to show the differences in what it is I am trying to learn and these will just be throw away items, so I did not make any more effort on them. I hope this helps to explain a little better what it is I am working towards. Any comments about the two types of segmentation would be really appreciated. My wife told me, she prefers the last one, if I was to have shaped and finished it. But also added, 'for cartoon items, I definitely prefer the one with the lines Dick heppnerguy meflick, crupiea, Sam777 and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdatelle Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 They look good Dick. Are the black lines painted on or does it have a black backer. heppnerguy and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 I prefer the middle one when comparing the last to the middle, and thanks for the demonstration. I think the black lines in the middle one, makes it more distinct and lends a stained glass format to it. I also prefer the narrow black lines vs the wider ones in the first pic wombatie, danny, heppnerguy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, rdatelle said: They look good Dick. Are the black lines painted on or does it have a black backer. Neither.. I cut on both sides of the black lines so that they end up like a skeleton and the pieces just slide back in place, inside the black skeleton. If that does not explain it well enough, let me know, as I can take a photo of the black part for you to see, and then it will be self explanatory Dick heppnerguy OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 I completely understand what it is you are doing Dick. Thanks for great ideas. I'm not into making plaques and wallhangers but this idea fascinates me. I'm going to find a pattern of something and give it a try. I take it that you could just about take any pattern and "thicken" the cut lines to get that look. I'm not sure how to go about doing that but after learning Inkscape, I sure hope to. Thanks again. heppnerguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, JimErn said: I prefer the middle one when comparing the last to the middle, and thanks for the demonstration. I think the black lines in the middle one, makes it more distinct and lends a stained glass format to it. I also prefer the narrow black lines vs the wider ones in the first pic I am also experimenting with the right blade for me so that I will be able to cut an even thinner line. That is the one of the goals in this learning experience for me. I have not yet found the blade I need to be able to cut the line on both sides, evenly. When I have that figured out, I will try thinner lines until I reach the size line I am after Dick heppnerguy OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, octoolguy said: I completely understand what it is you are doing Dick. Thanks for great ideas. I'm not into making plaques and wallhangers but this idea fascinates me. I'm going to find a pattern of something and give it a try. I take it that you could just about take any pattern and "thicken" the cut lines to get that look. I'm not sure how to go about doing that but after learning Inkscape, I sure hope to. Thanks again. your right in what you say. Making the lines thicker is quite easy in Inkscape. All you have to do is click on the 'edit path by nodes' tool. That is the one directly under the 'select' key and then when you click on the line with that tool selected, you will see a number to the right of the 'fill stroke' at the bottom of the page. Right click on the number and a window will appear where you and click on any larger number and the line will increase by that much. Dick heppnerguy OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted September 9, 2019 Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) @heppnerguy Dick how wide is the line you are cutting now, the one shown in the flower pic? Edited September 9, 2019 by JimErn OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 9, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2019 34 minutes ago, JimErn said: @heppnerguy Dick how wide is the line you are cutting now, the one shown in the flower pic? It is a #3. I am now cutting a pattern I made with a #1 line Dick heppnerguy OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barb.j.enders Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 I love the middle (first) flower one. If that is considered not finished, then I am up a creek. I would certainly consider it finished! heppnerguy and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatie Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 I love the middle one also and I understand your explanation. Crupier is a master at this type of work so you are learning from the master. Marg OCtoolguy and crupiea 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted September 10, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, wombatie said: I love the middle one also and I understand your explanation. Crupier is a master at this type of work so you are learning from the master. Marg Crupier is truly the master at this. I found it to be a lot more difficult then I imagined it would be. I am working on another one now and I hope I get through it ok. I find it more difficult then anything else I have done in the shop but if I don't give up, I may be able to do it satisfactorily at some point in time. As I get older I find some things a little more difficult to learn. So I will post the next one, if I manage to get it done and then I will have something to compare my first ones to. Dick heppnerguy OCtoolguy and wombatie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted September 10, 2019 Report Share Posted September 10, 2019 Seems like for those of us that don't know how to do patterns, there are lots of free stain glass patterns that would work well for this type of art. I really like what you are doing here, Dick. heppnerguy and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crupiea Posted September 14, 2019 Report Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Stained glass, tattoo, and cartoon patterns are available in the milllions online. if you do this style the world open up quite a bot and its fun. of course it has its limitations but also its advantages. Do enough of them and you will be able to take a picture of something and make it into a pattern. The key is the black lines like Dicks first example. All cartoons have that. Once you start seeing these black outlines in things you will see them everywhere and be able to make your own patterns. Fun to experiment with. You do need to find some small blades and drill bits though. I use 2/0 jewelers blades, They have no reverse teeth so make a mess on the back but I no one sees that so does not matter. I use a jewelers screw type drill with #72 or 73 bits trimmed down just enough to drill through the wood. Longer and they will snap quite often. Edited September 14, 2019 by crupiea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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