First crude atempt at inlay

[OzarkSawdust]

While looking at saws, I heard that some folks do inlay with a tilting table instead of head. So I thought I would try it!

Keep in mind I just drew a shape on a scrap and grabbed a scrap of a different color. Blue taped them together, set the table at 2 degrees and cut one round in a clockwise direction. The boards weren't actually flat...and they were different thicknesses also...and I had the speed cranked wide open. But I guess it worked...sort of. The bottom did come out, and I could push the top into the bottom , with a little persuasion from a rubber mallet 

I'm just not sure where you put the hole for the blade? The outside of the top board is scrap...and the inside of the bottom board is scrap... Much larger hole than I needed, but I didn't take time to change the bit for a scrap test. Now that I know I can do it, I'll have to watch some videos and see the details that I missed.

[kmmcrafts]

Looks pretty darn good to me.. I've done this a couple times.. pretty much on scrap too, LOL.. Keep saying I'm going to do more of it one day.. but then orders come and gets me sidetracked.. then I forget what I had started etc.. LOL

Another thing I want to try at is Intarsia .. Someday I'll do it..

[OCtoolguy]

From what I have been taught and read, the trick to hiding the drill holes is to start the drill bit on the waste area of the saved piece and have the drill cross over at an angle to the waste area of the lower piece. Drilling the hole at the same angle as your table is tilted prior to cutting. I wish you had access to the book that I talked about..It is all explained there in pictures. By drilling straight down, you are effecting both pieces in the same place. You have to find a way to slant drill from one side to the other.

 

[Rockytime]

Looks darn good to me! You are ahead of the curve by a long shot. 

[OzarkSawdust]

1 hour ago, kmmcrafts said:

Looks pretty darn good to me.. I've done this a couple times.. pretty much on scrap too, LOL.. Keep saying I'm going to do more of it one day.. but then orders come and gets me sidetracked.. then I forget what I had started etc.. LOL

Another thing I want to try at is Intarsia .. Someday I'll do it..

I want to spend some time and get fairly good at it. I really like the inlay boxes Jim Finn makes.

I saw a pattern of Willie Nelson done in Intarsia...I'm thinking maybe I could do it.....in 3-4 years...maybe... It beautiful, but better left to you guys with years of experience I think.

[OzarkSawdust]

1 hour ago, octoolguy said:

From what I have been taught and read, the trick to hiding the drill holes is to start the drill bit on the waste area of the saved piece and have the drill cross over at an angle to the waste area of the lower piece. Drilling the hole at the same angle as your table is tilted prior to cutting. I wish you had access to the book that I talked about..It is all explained there in pictures. By drilling straight down, you are effecting both pieces in the same place. You have to find a way to slant drill from one side to the other.

 

Yea...I'm going to have to dig those two titles up again and start a scroller's library. Also watch that Dave Monk video again...and pay attention this time...lol. First time I saw it I thought...maybe in a year or so. Now I'm thinking my timetable just got moved up!

[JimErn]

The hole is way to big, you need to get the smallest drill possible for the blade you are using, I use a pegas MG #3  and a 61 drill bit

Start the hole IN the inlay piece close to the line (but not on it), I prefer right at a corner, not in the back ground piece.  Then you mix up some glue and saw dust

into a paste and fill the hole.  In your bell I would put the hole at the bottom where the base line starts to curve down

In the cat below I put the hole at corner in between the legs at the corner, and on the butterfly on the right side where the wing ducks in and out again

Edited September 28, 2019 by JimErn

[OzarkSawdust]

That's beautiful work Jim. And thanks for the tips! I knew the drill bit was way too big, but was to lazy to change it on a scrap test. Just wanted to see if I could do it with a tilting table...or at all lol. I will probably get a King 16' with a tilting head. I do love your "cat box" and I saw a photo Jim Finn put up of a bunch of boxes...the possibilities are endless!

How do you make your boxes? He glues them solid and I think finishes them then cuts the lid off with a band saw. I don't have a band saw...yet.

[SCROLLSAW703]

In my experience, I have learned to drill your starter hole on the waste side of the cut line in a corner. Once your blade is thru and set, your angle is set, begin yer cut like any other cut, and follow the line.

I have to say, here again, curiosity has this ol' country boy at a stand still. 

[OCtoolguy]

Here is a picture of my first attempt at marquetry. This was done at the class I took and the material is only about .060 thick. Maybe less. Not sure. We learned shading by using hot sand. It is a lot of fun.

 

 

[OzarkSawdust]

11 minutes ago, octoolguy said:

Here is a picture of my first attempt at marquetry. This was done at the class I took and the material is only about .060 thick. Maybe less. Not sure. We learned shading by using hot sand. It is a lot of fun.

 

 

That's very cool Ray! I don't think I have the patience to do that...lol

 

[OCtoolguy]

1 minute ago, OzarkSawdust said:

That's very cool Ray! I don't think I have the patience to do that...lol

 

Yes you do. It's no harder that what you are doing now. It's just a technique to be learned. If you get hold of that book I mentioned, it takes you through it step by step. You can adapt everything to the thickness of material that you want to work with. The only thing that really changes is the angle of your saw table or tilting head. You're way ahead of most on what you have already done. 

 

[OzarkSawdust]

1 minute ago, octoolguy said:

Yes you do. It's no harder that what you are doing now. It's just a technique to be learned. If you get hold of that book I mentioned, it takes you through it step by step. You can adapt everything to the thickness of material that you want to work with. The only thing that really changes is the angle of your saw table or tilting head. You're way ahead of most on what you have already done. 

 

Thank you. I see some of the works you folks do...and my mind never stops thinking of the possibilities. I think I'm coming down with scroll fever...

[RabidAlien]

37 minutes ago, OzarkSawdust said:

Thank you. I see some of the works you folks do...and my mind never stops thinking of the possibilities. I think I'm coming down with scroll fever...

There's worse fevers to have.    And you are, at this point in time, exactly one inlay ahead of myself.  LOL 

[rjweb]

Ray, 

what was the name of that book, do you have a link, thx RJ 

[OCtoolguy]

3 hours ago, OzarkSawdust said:

Thank you. I see some of the works you folks do...and my mind never stops thinking of the possibilities. I think I'm coming down with scroll fever...

And I'm not too far ahead of you. I consider myself a novice but I've learned a ton from the good folks here. It's the friendliest bunch I've met yet. And the best part is they're from all over. Some that hardly ever post do BEAUTIFUL work. I'm in awe.

 

[OCtoolguy]

17 hours ago, rjweb said:

Ray, 

what was the name of that book, do you have a link, thx RJ 

The Art of Marquetry. I mentioned it in the earlier thread about inlay. I'm away from the book right now.

Edit: Here is the author of the book in question: Craig Vandall Stevens

 

Edited September 29, 2019 by octoolguy

[JimErn]

12 hours ago, OzarkSawdust said:

How do you make your boxes? He glues them solid and I think finishes them then cuts the lid off with a band saw. I don't have a band saw...yet.

I stack cut the top and bottom, the walls of the box are a single piece with the center cut out, glue the bottom to the walls.  When I want a deeper box, I cut two of the walls, stack and glue them, sand the inside as needed,  then glue the bottom piece

[rustynail]

On 9/29/2019 at 1:18 AM, octoolguy said:

The Art of Marquetry. I mentioned it in the earlier thread about inlay. I'm away from the book right now.

Edit: Here is the author of the book in question: Craig Vandall Stevens

 

Ray If you really want to learn marquetry I would suggest getting  the Paul Schurch videos they are great to learn from. I took one of his classes also so . He  only has a few left, so  if you go to his web site you can still get them but  he stated once gone there gone, Good luck with learning. He teaches the stacked or  packet cut method. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by rustynail

[OCtoolguy]

19 hours ago, rustynail said:

Ray If you really want to learn marquetry I would suggest getting  the Paul Schurch videos they are great to learn from. I took one of his classes also so . He  only has a few left, so  if you go to his web site you can still get them but  he stated once gone there gone, Good luck with learning. He teaches the stacked or  packet cut method. 

@Rustynail, I just checked out his videos and he pretty much uses the same technique that I learned. Thanks for the tip. I will use what I learned when doing inlay. What I came to realize is that once you have a completed marquetry panel, you have to find a project to use it on. I think doing inlay on a box or a bowl bottom is more useful. It's the technique that counts. 

Edited October 1, 2019 by octoolguy

[Jim Finn]

Having done thousands of inlays does not make me an expert.( but I have sold them all !  ).

     I tilt my table at about 2 degrees but I  drill my 1/16' starter hole at about 6 degrees just inside the image side of the line with the wood to be inlayed under the background  wood.  Here is a photo of  my very first attempt!  (I sold it)

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[OzarkSawdust]

9 minutes ago, Jim Finn said:

Having done thousands of inlays does not make me an expert.( but I have sold them all !  ).

     I tilt my table at about 2 degrees but I  drill my 1/16' starter hole at about 6 degrees just inside the image side of the line with the wood to be inlayed under the background  wood.  Here is a photo of  my very first attempt!  (I sold it)

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That's very good. I zoomed in and can't even guess where the hole was! Got to finish some things up, but hope to try an inlay first of next week. Hopefully my new King 16" saw will be in!

[Rockytime]

 Looks wonderful. Why the 6 degrees? Won't that leave a hole  farther from the edge of the pattern? Just would like to understand. I cant't see an entry hole on your photo.                                                        

[Phantom Scroller]

Well it better than the the one's I've done, which is none really need to have a go. Roly

[Woodmaster1]

At least your making a good attempt which is better than me. I have not even attempted it.