jbrowning Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I could swear I've seen threads of what to use to clean the Hegner Multimax 18 table but I can't seem to find them now. Can anyone help a old guy out? There are black marks on the table and the black marks are showing up on the back side of the pieces I'm cutting. Hegner has a cleaner on their website (I think), but was wondering if anyone used something else? Thanks Jim OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I could use the same information! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Well, Pretty sure this isn't the info you seen in the past but.. My DeWalt used to get a build up of black wood sap ( pitch?) on the table right around the center hole wher the blade come through.. What I've done was spray a paper towel down with some brake cleaner ( because I had it on hand ) and wipe down the table with it, then wax the table again with my Johnson's wax.. I've also used lacquer thinner, mineral spirits, and WD-40.. The WD-40 I think might have been the best one to clean it up... however you'll want to go back over it to wash off the oils from the wd-40 with one of those other mentioned products.. There is probably a specific solution for this.. but these things are just something I already had out in the shop.. If you don't get it all cleaned off real good.. it'll quickly come back.. don't ask how I know that.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sycamore67 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I have never had black marks on my Hegner. I do not cut sap wood or anything like it. I do clean it occasionally with mineral spirits or alcohol and then wax with Johnson's Paste Wax. kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrowning Posted October 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Here is a picture of what I'm talking about. This piece only has a small amount while others will have much more black marks on them. Sorry for the large file but I don't have any editing software here at work. And I'll post a picture of the table when I get home tonight. Thanks Jim Edited October 1, 2019 by jbrowning OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 What is the Hegner table made out of? I used to use a Craftsman router table. It was made of aluminum. The top wasn't smooth, but had small grooves milled into it. I suppose it was intended to help reduce total surface area and thus friction. I constantly got black marks on the wood from running it over that table. Wasn't any real big deal, as they sanded off easily. I tried paste wax once and believe it would have solved the problem, but it got in those grooves and was a pain to remove, so I abandoned the idea and just lived with the sanding. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrowning Posted October 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Hello Bill, I believe they are made out of cast iron. That is what their website says. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 This is what my DeWalt used to do.. I had done a lot of different trail and error methods to stop it from doing this.. But for the life of me I cannot remember which one worked better.. But all the methods I mentioned in my last reply worked.. just some worked better than others. Pretty sure it was either the WD-40 or the break cleaner that I wiped the table down with and then a real good coat of wax.. Since you need to clean off the WD-40.. with a de-greaser maybe use it followed up with the brake clean then a good wax.. If the issue continues you could get the magnetic cover like Seyco puts on their table tops or clean it up good and spray a clear coat finish on it? Excalibur saw tables are painted.. I haven't had any issues with the paint on the back of my projects but it certainly is wearing off the table, LOL OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I think putting a magnetic sheet on the table would solve all the problems and give you a zero clearence at the same time. If I ever have that problem on my EX I plan on doing this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Magnetic sheet will not work on an aluminum table. I think the Hegner has cast aluminum. Can't get to mine right now to verify that. Could fasten an auxiliary table of 1/8" Masonite on top. I have one on mine. If I remember right it was for the same reason. The Aluminum cleaner from Advanced machinery may help I did not try it. The one for steel cleaner worked well on my table saw but required a lot of elbow grease to remove the spots on it. On the Aluminum cleaner, I would think you would have to keep applying it... at $14 a tube, I would use Johnson's wax. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimErn Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I put Masonite on my ex-21 and it helped but you still needed to wax it, then I went to the magnetic sheet - wonderful difference. So smooth and slippery I tried a refrigerator magnet on the ex-21 and it would not stick, I figured ok double sided tape if nothing else, but the whole sheet of a magnetic sheet did stick just fine OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Scrappile said: Magnetic sheet will not work on an aluminum table. I think the Hegner has cast aluminum. Can't get to mine right now to verify that. Could fasten an auxiliary table of 1/8" Masonite on top. I have one on mine. If I remember right it was for the same reason. The Aluminum cleaner from Advanced machinery may help I did not try it. The one for steel cleaner worked well on my table saw but required a lot of elbow grease to remove the spots on it. On the Aluminum cleaner, I would think you would have to keep applying it... at $14 a tube, I would use Johnson's wax. Paul, you are probably correct. I can't recall what my Hegner table was made of but it was mentioned above that it might be iron. I do remember that it was heavy as heck though. So, if a magnetic sheet won't stick how about a piece of laminate with some double stick tape? Or ever 3M 77? It could be removed with a heat gun when the time comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 14 minutes ago, JimErn said: I put Masonite on my ex-21 and it helped but you still needed to wax it, then I went to the magnetic sheet - wonderful difference. So smooth and slippery I tried a refrigerator magnet on the ex-21 and it would not stick, I figured ok double sided tape if nothing else, but the whole sheet of a magnetic sheet did stick just fine I will do this to mine at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 The Hawk and Hegner tables are aluminum. Aluminum oxidation will always rub off unless polished to a mirror finish which is hard to keep. The Masonite or counter top material (can't remember the name now) works or use Kevin's methods. I don't worry much about the back anyway as there is usually a backer on the things I cut. OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 Pretty sure the Hegner's have a cast iron table, Hawks have cast Aluminum... Aluminum I could see doing that.. as it's softer than steel / iron.. But my Hawks don't do this one bit.. but my DeWalt sure did it... The EX table is painted and no issues with it other than paint wearing off.. I'm thinking about taking it off and having it powder coated.. Might do red or gold color instead of the silver / grey.. But the cheap side of me says to just use paint.. I have plenty of the Urethane leftovers from painting cars over the last few years to paint it several times, Even a silver color that's probably real close to the OEM color, OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Will if it is cast iron it does not get attracted to a magnet. At least mine doesn't. My Seyco is steel plate. Definantly likes magnets, I think my Ex was the same. Edited October 1, 2019 by Scrappile OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Scrappile said: Will if it is cast iron it does not get attracted to a magnet. At least mine doesn't. My Seyco is steel plate. Definantly likes magnets, I think my Ex was the same. Well Les has one and he knows what it is.. I've only seen one and almost bought it but past on it due to being single speed, no up front release and was only a 14" saw.. kinda wish now I'd have gave them the $45 they was asking for it.... that was two years ago so I was going off memory. but thought it was iron.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbrowning Posted October 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 So for what it's worth. I wasn't able to get any magnets to attach to my scroll saw. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Finn Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 I had this same problem. I found that my 2008 Polymax-3 had an iron table (no problem there) and my 1986 Multimax-3 has an aluminum table and this is were I had this problem. I tried a few solutions but finally just applied a 1/8" painted, Masonite top to the aluminum table and solved the issue! Scrappile and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 2 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: Well Les has one and he knows what it is.. I've only seen one and almost bought it but past on it due to being single speed, no up front release and was only a 14" saw.. kinda wish now I'd have gave them the $45 they was asking for it.... that was two years ago so I was going off memory. but thought it was iron.. Kevin, unfortunately I have to go to Harbor Fright tomorrow and return the defective magnetic pick-up tool I bought there. It refuses to stick to my Hegner. Not sure why so I may just get a replacement to see if that works. Heh, heh kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Well from what Jim Finn is saying they can have either or. Maybe depends on the model or age. Jim Finn and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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