Patterns

[OzarkSawdust]

So far I've printed patterns on regular paper and spray glued them to blue painter's tape, and more now to clear laminate shelf paper from Walmart. I've been using Loctite 200 spray adhesive.

Sometimes I get an edge that comes loose and have to try to hold it with a finger and cut close...real PIA.

I'm wondering about printing patterns on 801/2" x 11" labels and just sticking that to the clear liner?

Who does this? Is it better sticking than spray glue? It sounds a lot less messy.

[Ctutor]

I have used labels (sticky back) and Xylon.  Both work very well. Make certain you get the non permanent or temporary label material. The permanent requires the use of heat gun to remove which also works well. 

[Denny Knappen]

I bought contact paper from Sloan’s.  Going to have to find another source.

[Dennisfm56]

I've had this same thing happen and a little dab from an Elmer's glue stick is easily enough to hold it down while you finish your cut.

[dgman]

Gary, I’m not a fan of using blue painters tape as I spend too much time trying to remove the tape. I glue the pattern directly to the wood using 3M Super 77. Spray on the adhesive to the back of the pattern, let it set up for about 30 seconds then apply to the wood. I don’t have any problem with the pattern lifting. To remove the pattern I heat the pattern with a heat gun and the pattern lifts right up. If the heat gun doesn’t work, I spritz on some mineral spirits and let it sit for a minute or two, and the pattern will lift right off! I keep mineral spirits in a spray bottle for this purpose.

[Ctutor]

Gary also make certain your [rointer will handle the material. It is a bit thicker than 20 # paper. If your printer handles envelopes you should have no problems.  I use noname labels from Amazom.  Avery is p-r0bably a bit better but I went the cheeeep way.

[Iguanadon]

If you haven't already seen this video, the first 4 minutes shows what I do.  The hard roller is what really makes sure everything is stuck to the board and to the laminate.  

 

[OCtoolguy]

2 hours ago, OzarkSawdust said:

So far I've printed patterns on regular paper and spray glued them to blue painter's tape, and more now to clear laminate shelf paper from Walmart. I've been using Loctite 200 spray adhesive.

Sometimes I get an edge that comes loose and have to try to hold it with a finger and cut close...real PIA.

I'm wondering about printing patterns on 801/2" x 11" labels and just sticking that to the clear liner?

Who does this? Is it better sticking than spray glue? It sounds a lot less messy.

Kevin put me onto using the full page shipping labels and it does work great. I still use the see-through shelf liner on the wood but stick the label onto that. I never have a problem with pattern lift. If I have to leave the whole mess on the wood for an extended time, I might have to use a heat gun to remove it though. Not a big deal. A quick wash with MS takes care of the residue of which there isn't much.

 

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, Denny Knappen said:

I bought contact paper from Sloan’s.  Going to have to find another source.

Walmart has it for about $6 a roll. Lasts a long time.

 

[kmmcrafts]

While this would probably last a hobby scroller a good 5 years or more   I buy my full sheet labels from eBay.. I buy 1000 sheets at a time.. and typically that will last me about a year ish.. but if you can absorb the steeper up front cost.. the higher quantity you buy the cheaper it gets.. I used to use these for my shipping labels too.. but now I bought an actual label maker that's thermal printed rather than using a crap load of ink.. so the full sheet labels are for patterns only now.. Still keep a can of adhesive around for those larger patterns that require more than the 8.5 x 11 paper.. actually I found a source for the 11 x 17 label papers.. but have yet to order any.. now I probably can't find the site again.. Staples couldn't get me any.. 

When going to eBay to grab you the link.. I noticed they jumped the price up since I bought it... I paid $52 just a few weeks back.. Might look around for a better deal.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Shipping-Labels-Full-Sheet-8-5x11-Self-Adhesive-PACKZON/172818314778?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

 

Edit to add... See just shopping around and found it cheaper.. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Sheets-Laser-Inkjet-8-5x11-FULL-Shipping-Mailing-Labels-USPS-UPS-Fedex-FBA/183324507232?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40719%26meid%3Dd6bac0ebd0e34b4796d5e2f5d29d7a42%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D254057132996%26itm%3D183324507232%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Edited December 27, 2019 by kmmcrafts

[jerry1939]

Before I quit scrolling, I used 3M77 for years.  Thought they later made the product worse later  on.  Switched to 3M45. Much better, but could only find it here at True Value.  A month ago someone posted that he bought his at Ace Hardware & really liked it.

jerry

 

[Sycamore67]

I make certain the surface I am sticking to is clean and smoith.  I sand quickly to 220 and wipe clean.  I use blue tape on wood and 3M77 to glue pattern to tape.  I leave a margin of about 3/8-1/2" around the pattern to keep pattern from lifting.  I have no issues with patterns sticking.

I also use high quality paper and laser printing.

 important note is that I do not do fretwork so no issue with problems of peeling the tape off.

[OzarkSawdust]

19 hours ago, Ctutor said:

I have used labels (sticky back) and Xylon.  Both work very well. Make certain you get the non permanent or temporary label material. The permanent requires the use of heat gun to remove which also works well. 

Don't care if it's permanent or not as I plan to put it on the clear laminate shelf paper I use now. It stays put and comes off easy without tearing out wood splinters. When I used blue painter's tape it would.

Edited December 28, 2019 by OzarkSawdust

[OzarkSawdust]

1 hour ago, octoolguy said:

Kevin put me onto using the full page shipping labels and it does work great. I still use the see-through shelf liner on the wood but stick the label onto that. I never have a problem with pattern lift. If I have to leave the whole mess on the wood for an extended time, I might have to use a heat gun to remove it though. Not a big deal. A quick wash with MS takes care of the residue of which there isn't much.

 

Thanks Ray, that's what I was thinking.

[OzarkSawdust]

1 hour ago, kmmcrafts said:

While this would probably last a hobby scroller a good 5 years or more   I buy my full sheet labels from eBay.. I buy 1000 sheets at a time.. and typically that will last me about a year ish.. but if you can absorb the steeper up front cost.. the higher quantity you buy the cheaper it gets.. I used to use these for my shipping labels too.. but now I bought an actual label maker that's thermal printed rather than using a crap load of ink.. so the full sheet labels are for patterns only now.. Still keep a can of adhesive around for those larger patterns that require more than the 8.5 x 11 paper.. actually I found a source for the 11 x 17 label papers.. but have yet to order any.. now I probably can't find the site again.. Staples couldn't get me any.. 

When going to eBay to grab you the link.. I noticed they jumped the price up since I bought it... I paid $52 just a few weeks back.. Might look around for a better deal.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Shipping-Labels-Full-Sheet-8-5x11-Self-Adhesive-PACKZON/172818314778?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

 

Edit to add... See just shopping around and found it cheaper.. 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1000-Sheets-Laser-Inkjet-8-5x11-FULL-Shipping-Mailing-Labels-USPS-UPS-Fedex-FBA/183324507232?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40719%26meid%3Dd6bac0ebd0e34b4796d5e2f5d29d7a42%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D254057132996%26itm%3D183324507232%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

Thanks Kevin! I might try to find a 10 - 30 pack here in the valley and try it first. If it works well with this printer I picked up I'll order a bunch. That would save time and mess.

[OCtoolguy]

41 minutes ago, OzarkSawdust said:

Thanks Kevin! I might try to find a 10 - 30 pack here in the valley and try it first. If it works well with this printer I picked up I'll order a bunch. That would save time and mess.

I had an inkjet printer and it worked fine. Now, I have a Brother laser and it works even finer.

 

[Matt B]

Scott,

That is a great video. It is kind that you share your process with us.

Matt

[Foxfold]

Thanks for the video, it was a great help. May I ask how thick your wood is ?  I'm trying to source some Poplar boards here in the UK and they all ask me for a 'thickness' . Thanks in advance, your help is much appreciated.

[Rolf]

I use clear contact brand shelf paper on the wood for bigger projects, blue tape on the small stuff.  I use a Xyron machine for putting on the adhesive. I really don't like using spray adhesive.

For the occasional small items I use rubber cement, especially when doing intarsia since the surfaces and pattern get sanded away anyway. 

[Fish]

I use 3M clear packing tape on the wood, then spray Elmer Craft Bond spray glue on the tape and the back of the pattern.  I don't use Duck brand packing tape, the adhesive comes off the tape on to the wood to much.  I made a shallow square box and stapled  1/4" hardware cloth on it to spray glue on the patterns.

[Roberta Moreton]

Clear contact paper and full sheet labels. Easy and no sticky mess on my fingers. If you don’t use the contact paper first, that label is not coming off. 

[OzarkSawdust]

4 hours ago, Roberta Moreton said:

Clear contact paper and full sheet labels. Easy and no sticky mess on my fingers. If you don’t use the contact paper first, that label is not coming off. 

That's what I was thinking. I like the clear laminate much better than blue painter's tape. I'm going to go to Office Depot and get some full sheet labels today. I want to try it before I order a bunch.

[Rolf]

18 hours ago, Fish said:

I use 3M clear packing tape on the wood, then spray Elmer Craft Bond spray glue on the tape and the back of the pattern.  I don't use Duck brand packing tape, the adhesive comes off the tape on to the wood to much.  I made a shallow square box and stapled  1/4" hardware cloth on it to spray glue on the patterns.

Fish what brand do you use? 

I never use clear packing tape under my pattern , most of my work is delicate with lots of small areas,  I have had more than one occasion where I missed a small piece when pealing it off and it screwed up my finish.  The only time I do use it is when doing compound cuts to hold the pieces together. 

 

[Roberta Moreton]

3 hours ago, OzarkSawdust said:

That's what I was thinking. I like the clear laminate much better than blue painter's tape. I'm going to go to Office Depot and get some full sheet labels today. I want to try it before I order a bunch.

Buy a small package. They are SO much cheaper on Amazon 

[Dennisfm56]

On 12/28/2019 at 8:24 AM, Foxfold said:

Thanks for the video, it was a great help. May I ask how thick your wood is ?  I'm trying to source some Poplar boards here in the UK and they all ask me for a 'thickness' . Thanks in advance, your help is much appreciated.

In case Scott,(Iggy), doesn't see this he and many of use 3/4" poplar.