DME72 Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 has anyone on here ever seen or heard of a junior hawk scroll saw? seen one online for sale but cant really find alot of info about it. they are 16 inch cutting capacity and look like a small 220vs or 226vs. but the motor is in the back like a excalibur or dewalt scroll saw is. looks like it would be a great portable scroll saw but not really sure. bushton has no reference on the manuals under any model they have, at least none i have found. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 Before they started making the Hawk line of saws which has a 16" , they made saws called Falcon, Eagle, and Condor (bird names) and maybe this is one of those saws. I have no old photos of those saws but maybe you could call them and or do some searching under those names. They were 16" saws. Are you sure it is an RBI saw? The newer ones are #216-3 here is a older Eagle saw https://www.shoppok.com/mansfield/Scroll-Saw-RBI-Model-216----150,41,145556,image_large.htm Here is an older RBI with the motor mounted under the saw but is a much larger motor which they first started using. https://www.equip-bid.com/auction/2007/item/2156 OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 1 hour ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said: Before they started making the Hawk line of saws which has a 16" , they made saws called Falcon, Eagle, and Condor (bird names) and maybe this is one of those saws. I have no old photos of those saws but maybe you could call them and or do some searching under those names. They were 16" saws. Are you sure it is an RBI saw? The newer ones are #216-3 here is a older Eagle saw https://www.shoppok.com/mansfield/Scroll-Saw-RBI-Model-216----150,41,145556,image_large.htm Here is an older RBI with the motor mounted under the saw but is a much larger motor which they first started using. https://www.equip-bid.com/auction/2007/item/2156 Thanks JT. I never had seen or known of them before. Definitely something to keep an eye out for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredfret Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 The junior hawk was a redesign made by bushton in about 2010. I didn't know they ever sold any. I cut on one at a s.a.w. event in 2010 but don't remember any specific details. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) It was my understanding that the junior Hawk was a very small run of saws and was actually ( I believe) something that Bushton did after the buy out.. I remember reading about the plans to release a "Junior Hawk " to compete with the price points of the Excaliburs etc.. I was hoping to see them come about but never did see them release the saw into production... Update with this page I found.. https://www.tool-rank.com/tool-blog/News/preview-juniorhawk-16-inch-scroll-saw-20100622702/ Edited January 18, 2020 by kmmcrafts OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 There you go Kevin has the answer with a photo too. Never knew they went that way. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 that web page is the only info i have seen on the junior hawk. the one for sale has the old style RBI tension lever in back as bushton has the blue lever. JT it does not look anything like what you posted. kevin it looks like what tool-rank website reviewed. the fact that bushton does not even list anything on its website about it may mean if it breaks i may not be able to fix it. i am just thinking about it, looks like a neat little saw. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DME72 said: that web page is the only info i have seen on the junior hawk. the one for sale has the old style RBI tension lever in back as bushton has the blue lever. JT it does not look anything like what you posted. kevin it looks like what tool-rank website reviewed. the fact that bushton does not even list anything on its website about it may mean if it breaks i may not be able to fix it. i am just thinking about it, looks like a neat little saw. No Kevin gave you the answer That is what they are. It was an experimental saw and now with that new RBI company you will never get parts for it. Maybe some Dewalt or Pegas parts may work who knows. Or if you are handy you maybe able to do some workarounds. Will not tell you to buy or not. But there are better options. Edited January 18, 2020 by JTTHECLOCKMAN OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 I only know of three of them being made, LOL... well.. In a topic way back when this was discussed there was three prototypes and Buston was "testing" the machines before releasing them into production... Must be still testing them.. because the saw never came available on their website.. I was going to buy one.. and was waiting, and waiting, and.... then I bought my DeWalt... because I needed a better saw than the old Dremel 1800 saw I had been using.. but didn't have the funds for a EX or the larger Hawk saw.. Price point for this was was to be around $700 was the talk.. Maybe they want to test it for 30 years to be sure they're making a quality saw as the other saws are, LOL OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 kevin, thanks for all the info. dont think i will buy it but it looked like a neat little saw. i already have 3 scroll saws and dont really need a 4th one. but if a really good deal pops up you never know. kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 18, 2020 Report Share Posted January 18, 2020 If the price was not out of this world for the one you are looking at, I'd have to buy it just for the collector value and to have something unique. How much are they asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 it is on facebook marketplace and they want $300 for it. only one picture of it. been on there at least a week with another hawk a RBI 220 it looks like. they want $595 for it. the jr hawk looks neat but only has one side plate and the arms. it bolts down to a table and from the website kevin posted it only weighs about 35 pounds. OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 Oddly, I'd like to have it as a novelty.. or just as a rare collector piece... but not necessarily need it or for that matter not for that price either.. BUT if i won the lotto or something LOL.. While it's not a old piece of equipment it certainly is a rare one.. I was quite disappointed that they never released a smaller saw.. But then when i went to buy my new one.. i went with the biggest one for some reason LOL.. My friend had a 216VS for a short time and I kick myself for not buying it from him.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 i was thinking about buying it but i dont really need it. i would like to sell my type 1 dewalt and buy another hawk. the dewalt motor is almost 300 dollars if it goes out! it has been a great saw but it is 19 years old now. tore it down and repacked all the bearing and got new sleeves for it 3-4 years ago. they dont last forever.my other saw if i ever get it done as it is a work in progress i dont have to worry about the motor going out as it is pedal power.not an antique but a reproduction one. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 I had a 14" Hawk. It had no motor and was made to work on a ShopSmith. Don't have a picture of it. I put a motor on it and gave it to a friend. I'll have to have him take some photos. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rockytime said: I had a 14" Hawk. It had no motor and was made to work on a ShopSmith. Don't have a picture of it. I put a motor on it and gave it to a friend. I'll have to have him take some photos. I remember you talking about that in another thread long ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted January 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 i have never heard of a 14 inch hawk. seen the pictures of the 216 220 226 series of saws but never a 14 inch. was that from the 1980s or so? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) I can't find it now.. maybe too tired.. but they also made a 212.. 12" throat.. The table looks to be made from stamped steel.. tiny little thing.. There is one I ran across on craigslist or FB just today.. but I don't know where it was or what site I seen it on.. I use searchtempest.com to search craigslist.. this way it's quicker to look throughout the entire USA.. Facebook only allows you to look within 100 mile range... But you can type in a city or zip code to look within a 100 mile the entered zip or city.. I just went through a bunch today just playing around.. so who knows where I seen it. LOL They also had a small saw called the hobby hawk.. might be the same as the 212? looks real similar.. And a saw called the WoodMaster.. There was a saw I posted images on a long while back that had a odd looking table and many here said it was a non hawk made table on that saw... still for sale on craiglist ( again somewhere LOL ) and I found that they actually did make this odd looking table on a certain ( earlier model saw..).. There is a manual on the Hawks website for the 212.. Actually just going through the manuals section on their site they also show the Hobby hawk as well as the weird looking table older saw.. Some links to those manuals below if you're curious enough, LOL 212 saw: http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/Model_212.pdf Hobby Hawk: http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/model_hobby_hawk.pdf Odd Looking Table Hawk http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/model_2526.pdf Edited January 19, 2020 by kmmcrafts OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: I can't find it now.. maybe too tired.. but they also made a 212.. 12" throat.. The table looks to be made from stamped steel.. tiny little thing.. There is one I ran across on craigslist or FB just today.. but I don't know where it was or what site I seen it on.. I use searchtempest.com to search craigslist.. this way it's quicker to look throughout the entire USA.. Facebook only allows you to look within 100 mile range... But you can type in a city or zip code to look within a 100 mile the entered zip or city.. I just went through a bunch today just playing around.. so who knows where I seen it. LOL They also had a small saw called the hobby hawk.. might be the same as the 212? looks real similar.. And a saw called the WoodMaster.. There was a saw I posted images on a long while back that had a odd looking table and many here said it was a non hawk made table on that saw... still for sale on craiglist ( again somewhere LOL ) and I found that they actually did make this odd looking table on a certain ( earlier model saw..).. There is a manual on the Hawks website for the 212.. Actually just going through the manuals section on their site they also show the Hobby hawk as well as the weird looking table older saw.. Some links to those manuals below if you're curious enough, LOL 212 saw: http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/Model_212.pdf Hobby Hawk: http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/model_hobby_hawk.pdf Odd Looking Table Hawk http://www.hawkwoodworkingtools.com/files/SawManuals/model_2526.pdf Thanks a bunch Kevin. Now I have something else to look for. That tiny Hobby saw would be neat to have. I just ran across this picture of a Proxxon and it sure looks similar to the Hobby Hawk. Edited January 19, 2020 by octoolguy To add picture of Proxxon saw kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 Cute little bugger for sure! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 If I lived in Texas, I might have to go check this one out. For $50, I'd take a flyer. https://www.letgo.com/en-us/amp/i/hawk-scroll-saw_76a9405e-6e8a-4cb8-96fe-131688a5be70 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 And this one went for $58. https://smithauctions.hibid.com/lot/43307130/rbi-hawk-precision-scroll-saw-on-stand--works-per/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 I don't get it. It looks like it was run over with a truck. Can't take the time to dig it out of all the crap, wipe off the dust and show it at it's best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, octoolguy said: If I lived in Texas, I might have to go check this one out. For $50, I'd take a flyer. https://www.letgo.com/en-us/amp/i/hawk-scroll-saw_76a9405e-6e8a-4cb8-96fe-131688a5be70 He says it shakes bad.. I'm guessing he hadn't adjusted the stand to be planted to the floor really well... My first Hawk was horrible.. I almost didn't buy it. but I figured for $100 I'd give it a try.. once the stand was planted firm on my shop floor.. run really nice... OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted January 19, 2020 Report Share Posted January 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, octoolguy said: And this one went for $58. https://smithauctions.hibid.com/lot/43307130/rbi-hawk-precision-scroll-saw-on-stand--works-per/ This 14 saw looks like they used the 16" arms and just let them hang off the back of the saw.. LOL OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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