Pegas #3 MG Blades

[scrollingforsanity]

The Pegas factory has changed the Pegas MG #3 blades. I have been using these blades for quite some time. Went through at least 6 gross of them and this is my go to blade. Yesterday I used up the last of my old stock of MG #3 and broke out my new ones I purchased late last fall. Right away I could tell something was different. It was cutting different and felt different when pushing the piece into the saw. I know it sounds strange but it made the saw nosier and felt more vibration in the piece I was cutting  Not what I was used to. I stopped and called Richard at QTE and explained to him. He gave me the Pegas rep's number. I texted him pictures and  explanations of my issues. He said they needed to get them back right away and see what was wrong.  He said he was having a meeting today with Pegas and would get back to me. He called and said the factory changed the manufacturing of the blades and did not inform the rep's or suppliers. The old stock had 27 regular teeth and 10 reverse teeth. The new ones have 33 teeth and 10 reverse. The new ones have a notch in one or both ends of the blade. They said they do that now and just snap the blades off at the notch now in the manufacturing process. The new ones are also supposed to last longer and minimize tear out on the bottom of your work. I used a dozen today cutting five layers of 1/8 in Baltic birch as usual and they neither lasted longer nor reduced tear out for me anyway. If a person has not used many of the blades they will probably not notice any difference. I am sure I will get used to the new ones as that is what there is available, but much prefer the old style.  The rep suggested I use a #1 MG blade, I have tried those and they are to flimsy for me.  These are just my observations and I am done ranting for now.

[Scrappile]

I really don't care much for the "MG" blades... I know, I am weird.  I much prefer their Reverse skip #3R blades.  But that is me, I do not care for aggressive blades.  But I have never cut 5 layers of 1/8" BB either.  Max I have cut is 3 layers of 1/8".   If you would stop by,,,, I would give you some of the #3Rs I use and you could compare.  You may need go to a larger # to cut 5/8th.  This is "if you would stop by".....  If not,,, suffer.. 

Edited February 8, 2020 by Scrappile

[kmmcrafts]

Yes, they did this with the #5 blade over a year ago and had many issues with them.. supposedly they went back to the old style.. So now they're trying to fix whats not broke with the number 3's huh... I was just thinking of ordering some.. but maybe I'll be switching back to FD blades... I'm getting kinda tired of being the test pig for their blades.. I had so many issues with those number 5's.. some of them had 2-3 teeth that was just a square block.. no tooth at all, LOL... I did get replacements and they did take care of me.. I'm just getting tired of them changing things up.. Want to improve it.. come out with a different blade for people to try... don't change up existing stuff... and not say anything.. I was breaking blade after blade after blade and changing saw set-up etc etc etc... not knowing they changed the blade.. and the new blade wasn't working.. Sure cut into my production time fussing with a "Test" blade they thought was going to be better.. 

Pegas has awesome customer service.. and I'm glad they are trying to make a better blade etc etc.. BUT... They could go about it better.. and maybe do some testing on their own before releasing a new blade to the end user without saying a word..  That right there could make me become a previous customer rather than an existing one..  

[OzarkSawdust]

11 hours ago, Scrappile said:

I really done care much for the "MG" blades... I know, I am weird.  I much prefer their Reverse skip #3R blades.  But that is me, I do not care for aggressive blades.  But I have never cut 5 layers of 1/8" BB either.  Max I have cut is 3 layers of 1/8".   If you would stop by,,,, I would give you some of the #3Rs I use and you could compare.  You may need go to a larger # to cut 5/8th.  This is "if you would stop by".....  If not,,, suffer.. 

Hey Paul, what is the difference in feel and cut between MG #3 and reverse skip #3R blades? 

[scrollingforsanity]

I got the message Paul ( I need To Come Visit ) Kevin I agree with you I had problem's with the #5 blade as well, they took care of me but still frustrating. Like I said someone who doesn't use many blades probably will never know. I called Denny and he already has the new version in stock. Thought maybe I could get some of the old version but no luck.  

[kmmcrafts]

2 minutes ago, scrollingforsanity said:

I got the message Paul ( I need To Come Visit ) Kevin I agree with you I had problem's with the #5 blade as well, they took care of me but still frustrating. Like I said someone who doesn't use many blades probably will never know. I called Denny and he already has the new version in stock. Thought maybe I could get some of the old version but no luck.  

Thanks for the heads up.. I guess when I place my order.. instead of ordering 4-5 gross as I usually do I'm just going to order a small amount and see how I like them.. 

[scrollingforsanity]

You might not have any issues with them Kevin. I don't want anyone to not buy them on my say so. It's just after using the others so long I could definitely tell a difference. They still cut fairly well. Been much better in my opinion if they would have left them alone. I have two gross of the new style to get used to Lol. and none of the old style left. I guess they call it progress. A couple pictures of the blades. Not sure you can see them very well. On my cell phone they showed up extremely well. Did not intend to show the ornaments but I couldn't get them removed. 

 

 

    

[Denny Knappen]

I had two customers with concerns about the #3 MGT.  Both connected with Bob Duncan, national sales manager with Pegas.  One concern was not making nice sharp turns with the new style.  I never used the old style, so my experience with the #3 MGT has been very good.

[kmmcrafts]

I can clearly see the difference.. Thanks for the picture and the additional info.. I suppose I'll get used to them too.. so long as they aren't breaking and giving fits like I was having with the test batch of the number 5's last year.. I adapt quite well to new blades.. I'm not one of those that struggle with going from the straighter cutting blades to those blades that have that bur and cut on a slight angle.. I don't pay close attention to how I feed the wood to the blade.. I pay close attention to where the blade is going and follow the line.. So I suppose as long as they cut close to the same aggressiveness etc I may not have any issue with them.. Honestly don't know how they could improve upon a already great blade.. but it seems as though Pegas is trying to bring the best it can to their customers... That says a lot for a company these days..  I'll continue using them..

[kmmcrafts]

Suppose if I order 4 gross of the blades they'll will throw in a scroll saw.. I mean you know.. if you buy a scroll saw they throw in a pack of blades right? just seems like it would work the other way too... maybe if you order enough blades that'll work..  Now I'm wondering how many blades i need to order to get a free scroll saw, Hahahaha..

[scrollingforsanity]

when you find out how many you have to order to get a new saw let me know Kevin . Lol. I will continue to use them as well. Like Denny said I don't believe they turn as nice in a tight corner. Who knows maybe something else will come out in the near future.

[Matt B]

Since I recently purchased #3 blades, I guess that I have been cutting with the new blades without realizing any difference. They are fine with me. 

[stoney]

First I would like to say I really like the old style Pegas MG blades.  They are now my go to blade.   That being said I wonder why Pegas doesn't state they have a new supposedly improved design.   I can't really tell from the pictures Grizz displayed the change except for the notch on the top.  I wish when a blade design is changed they would somehow indicate such, especially if there is a difference in the way they cut. JMHO 

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, stoney said:

First I would like to say I really like the old style Pegas MG blades.  They are now my go to blade.   That being said I wonder why Pegas doesn't state they have a new supposedly improved design.   I can't really tell from the pictures Grizz displayed the change except for the notch on the top.  I wish when a blade design is changed they would somehow indicate such, especially if there is a difference in the way they cut. JMHO 

I agree. It's only fair to the buyer/customer to know what they are buying. 

[scrollingforsanity]

Sorry I didn't get better pictures. The ones I took with my phone clearly show the differences. I am not smart enough to get them from my phone to here. There is a much larger gap between where the regular teeth end and the reverse teeth begin on the old style blade versus the new ones. Also the old blade has six less regular teeth than the new one. I have been using the new ones the last couple days and they are usable but still not the old blade in my opinion. the Pegas rep texted me yesterday and wanted replace my #3 blades with something else and I would send these back to the factory to be checked out. I didn't need anything else as I wanted #3. He said he would replace the 2 gross I have with some more #3 and send these back to the factory.  Did not confirm today that was happening. We will see.  

[JimErn]

That you counted the teeth amazes me, kudo's, don't think I could do it with me close up vision

[kmmcrafts]

Okay, I'm wondering how long these have been out... anybody know? 

Now that you mention the space between the reverse teeth and the cutting teeth is shorter.. A light bulb lit in my brain,  I can't remember how long ago this was but I remember getting some blades that I could hardly tell what was top end or bottom end because they moved the space between the teeth closer. Never occurred to me to count the teeth or anything.. They do cut very slightly different.. but I'm guessing they've been this way for a year.. It all started right around the same time I had issues with the #5 blade.. just shortly after that.. 

Anyway, These are what I've been using for quite some time now.. They still cut pretty good.. other than it is very slightly different in the tight turns as mentioned..  Back then... I didn't use a #3 much so I may not have noticed this very drastically.. the #5 was my go to blade.. and the issues I had with them made me switch to the #3 because I could cut a good while without breaking the blade.. while the #5 was breaking as soon as I turn the saw on in some cases.. I never had a issue with the #5 on the DW788 or EX but I couldn't use them on the Hawk.. 

[Denny Knappen]

We have been dealers since August and we have the new stock.  As I said earlier, I use Pegas #3 blades with good results.  It may be my go to blade.

[scrollingforsanity]

Kevin is probably right that they have been out a while. I purchased my 2 gross April 2019 and they were the old style. I purchased 2 gross October 2019 and they are the new style. I am sure we will get used to them as they are what we can buy.

[Norm Fengstad]

Thanks for the topic I just got into my new batch of #3 MG  I did notice less fuzzies on the back side . They cut ok but time will tell. I had been using #1 MG in double ply of 1/4 inch they cut well but are a little flimsy in that much wood.

[scrollingforsanity]

I will still buy them I just wished they would have said something about changing their product or marked their packaging New Style or something.  I agree Norn the #1 is a little flimsy in thicker wood. We will get through and after a while probably forget they had the old style.  Lol

[Roberta Moreton]

I stopped using them after the issue last year. I went back to Flying Dutchman and never looked back. 

[kmmcrafts]

43 minutes ago, Roberta Moreton said:

I stopped using them after the issue last year. I went back to Flying Dutchman and never looked back. 

Did you like them before the issue? LOL When I had issues with the number 5's I contacted bearwood (where I got them) and they contacted Bob Duncan... about 3-4 days later I had 3 new replacement gross of them that replaced the bad ones I ordered.. I sorta felt bad because I was able to use about half of that 3 gross and actually never had issue with those bad ones in my EX-21.. only real issue was with the Hawk.. They've since changed the #5 back to the way they originally was.. 

Back around 2008-9 ish.. FD sent out a bad batch of blades and I was ticked off.. swore up and down I'd never use them again.. ( only person I was hurting was myself because I hated the Olsen blades too, LOL) Little did I know at that time was that Mike was replacing the bad blades if we contacted him.. I didn't find that out until after the fact I used them all as best I could.. as he wanted us to return the bad ones that we had left.. Pegas just told me to throw them out.. I probably should have.. but didn't because they do work in my back-up saw ( EX-21 ) without much issue.. 

[Roberta Moreton]

Bear woods never answered my emails. I did order some 2/0 blades and they also kept breaking. I did like the Pegas blades. I gave all my Pegas blades away and ordered Flying Dutchman. Yes, I did like Flying Dutchman before. I will also use Olson in a pinch because I can get them at my local Klingspor’s. 

[kmmcrafts]

18 minutes ago, Roberta Moreton said:

Bear woods never answered my emails. I did order some 2/0 blades and they also kept breaking. I did like the Pegas blades. I gave all my Pegas blades away and ordered Flying Dutchman. Yes, I did like Flying Dutchman before. I will also use Olson in a pinch because I can get them at my local Klingspor’s. 

I never dealt with Bear woods before that order and not since that order, LOL.. While they did take care of me.. My original order took them 20 some days for them to get it in the mail.. then another 10 days or something like that.. to get to me.. I was hesitant to contact them to complain.. but then it was only like 3 days and my replacement blades was here... so not sure how they did all that so fast.. either way.. The original order being my first experience just turned me off... as i received no messages saying they was back ordered or anything... and I thought there was no reason to be that long to get a order mailed out.. Realizing they are in Canada I knew they would be a while.. but to wait 20 days just to get it in the mail.. DnD was out of stock as they pulled the blades off the inventory because they was bad.. I thought the Pegas company pulled them.. and Bear Woods had them in stock still so one and only dealings with Bear woods and they screwed it up waiting 20 days and then sending out the bad blades when it was known there was issues.. as I said.. DnD pulled them off the inventory to inspect them.. I have respect for them doing that.. rather than just send them out and see if the customer complains..