Rockytime Posted March 4, 2020 Report Share Posted March 4, 2020 9 hours ago, mikewix said: I use the bottom of a shop vac that the motor died on. Already has the casters on it and with the 20 foot hose I have I can roll it anywhere in the shop. I am using the DD. So if your vac ever dies it has another use. Not sure I understand what you are describing. Can yo post pictures? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingkevin Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 I run into cheap thin buckets and good one for the big box store(orange ones) are thinner than white ones! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewix Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Rockytime not a very good picture, but should explain what I did with the old shop vac OCtoolguy and Scrappile 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, mikewix said: Rockytime not a very good picture, but should explain what I did with the old shop vac That's an excellent way to "repurpose" something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockytime Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, mikewix said: Rockytime not a very good picture, but should explain what I did with the old shop vac Thank you. How did you make the seal? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Here's something to add to the whole conversation. Interesting little build. Scrappile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) I was in a Ranch and Home store (I love Ranch and Home but it is local) looking for something I could not find, they let me down, but I did for kicks buy a 3/4" PVC valve and a "T" for less than $3. I hooked it inline with my dust collection and the results were a little surprising to me. With it almost wide open the bucket so far is not collapsing. But more surprising, the air noise is no louder that I can notice, and the suction at the scroll saw does not seem to be reduced any, that I can tell... Not sure why I added that little section of PVC pipe coming out of the valve..... it must be serving some purpose...... Edited March 7, 2020 by Scrappile OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevan Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 So I did a little experiment with the two bucket system. Using the Lowe's bucket as the collection bucket, I place said Lowe's bucket in another bucket (like a 5 gallon paint bucket) and the Lowe's bucket no longer collapses. YMMV but this is working for me right now and my vacuum is just an old repurposed Hoover upright so no Major suction value. OCtoolguy and Scrappile 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 14 minutes ago, Scrappile said: I was in a Ranch and Home store (I love Ranch and Home but it is local) looking for something I could not find, they let me down, but I did for kicks buy a 3/4" PVC valve and a "T" for less than $3. I hooked it inline with my dust collection and the results were a little surprising to me. With it almost wide open the bucket so far is not collapsing. But more surprising, the air noise is no louder that I can notice, and the suction at the scroll saw does not seem to be reduced any, that I can tell... Not sure why I added that little section of PVC pipe coming out of the valve..... it must be serving some purpose...... chimney? Scrappile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Scrappile said: I was in a Ranch and Home store (I love Ranch and Home but it is local) looking for something I could not find, they let me down, but I did for kicks buy a 3/4" PVC valve and a "T" for less than $3. I hooked it inline with my dust collection and the results were a little surprising to me. With it almost wide open the bucket so far is not collapsing. But more surprising, the air noise is no louder that I can notice, and the suction at the scroll saw does not seem to be reduced any, that I can tell... Not sure why I added that little section of PVC pipe coming out of the valve..... it must be serving some purpose...... What happens if you close it off or open it up all the way. Does anything change? Scrappile 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, octoolguy said: chimney? Ya,, that be it!! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, octoolguy said: What happens if you close it off or open it up all the way. Does anything change? Well the bucket will start collapsing. But I really thought with this valve open, I would loose my dust collecting, but does not appear to be the case... OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 46 minutes ago, stevan said: So I did a little experiment with the two bucket system. Using the Lowe's bucket as the collection bucket, I place said Lowe's bucket in another bucket (like a 5 gallon paint bucket) and the Lowe's bucket no longer collapses. YMMV but this is working for me right now and my vacuum is just an old repurposed Hoover upright so no Major suction value. Okay, BUT, if the bucket is in side a bucket,,,,, how do you know it is not collapsing....? My real fear is not the bucket collapsing, but what it may or may not be doing to my dust extractor (vacuum). I do not know. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Scrappile said: Okay, BUT, if the bucket is in side a bucket,,,,, how do you know it is not collapsing....? My real fear is not the bucket collapsing, but what it may or may not be doing to my dust extractor (vacuum). I do not know. Did you examine the filter bag inside of your vac Paul? Just wondering if it could be so plugged up that it's causing excess vacuum to be sucking the sides of the bucket in. By putting that valve in the circuit, you are providing some relief to the whole system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, octoolguy said: Did you examine the filter bag inside of your vac Paul? Just wondering if it could be so plugged up that it's causing excess vacuum to be sucking the sides of the bucket in. By putting that valve in the circuit, you are providing some relief to the whole system. Yes, I did that a few day ago,,,, Not much in it. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 Just now, Scrappile said: Yes, I did that a few day ago,,,, Not much in it. Try running the system without the bag in the vac just for giggles. It might be plugged up from very fine dust that can't be seen. Or maybe the bag is just bad. Give it a try and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rash_powder Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, octoolguy said: Here's something to add to the whole conversation. Interesting little build. I watched a whole mess of videos on building dust collectors last summer and built one very similar to this from a piece of either 6" or 8" pvc sewer pipe. Mine was a little different as I used the pipe itself as the collection pail and included a filter in it. It works, but it doesn't separate the fine scroll saw dust as well as I would like. In fact, a lot of the big dust would end up in the filter too. Its something I need to revisit I think. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted March 8, 2020 Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 My first thought would be to put a "bleeder" valve in the vacuum line between the dust deputy and the vac. keep opening that until the bucket stops collapsing and you still get enough suction where you need it. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted March 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) I scrolled for around two hours last evening with the valve open, no bucket collapse and every thing else seemed to work fine.. This is with the DustStopper on. Today I will put the DustDeputy back on and see what happens.. Edited March 8, 2020 by Scrappile OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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