Popular Post Iguanadon Posted March 6, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 I've been meaning to do a video for a while and finally did it. Seeing a lot of questions, especially within Facebook group page from new scrollers asking how others mount their patterns to the wood so I wanted to make this to share. You old time veteran scrollers can just skip it. GrampaJim, BadBob, Wilson142 and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson142 Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Nice video. Much larger scale than what I do. I follow pretty much the same for puzzles and such. When I cut intricate fretwork patterns such as Charles Hand or Charles Dearing with anywhere from 300 holes to 500 or more, I add a layer of packing tape over the top. Overkill you say? The panic I feel when cutting delicate areas and seeing the pattern beginning to lift is worth the extra time. Like the Cookin' Cajun, Justin Wilson used to say." I wear both a belt and suspenders because you can never be too careful" I cut for myself and gifting and I'm always impressed by you guys who can cut as many hours you do and cutting all those multiples. I don't think I could do it. Looks like a nicely laid out shop! Mike " scrollingforsanity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted March 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Wilson142 said: Nice video. Much larger scale than what I do. I follow pretty much the same for puzzles and such. When I cut intricate fretwork patterns such as Charles Hand or Charles Dearing with anywhere from 300 holes to 500 or more, I add a layer of packing tape over the top. Overkill you say? The panic I feel when cutting delicate areas and seeing the pattern beginning to lift is worth the extra time. Like the Cookin' Cajun, Justin Wilson used to say." I wear both a belt and suspenders because you can never be too careful" I cut for myself and gifting and I'm always impressed by you guys who can cut as many hours you do and cutting all those multiples. I don't think I could do it. Looks like a nicely laid out shop! Mike " Thanks Mike and it's just a "hobby business" for me as I have a day job. I cut maybe 2 hours a day during the week and if I can I'll cut 5 or 6 hours a day on a Saturday or Sunday. There is no overkill when doing fretwork... you guys are the ones that amaze me with your patience to do those types of pieces. scrollingforsanity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new2woodwrk Posted March 6, 2020 Report Share Posted March 6, 2020 Thanks for another great vid. I aspire to do as well as you with my hobby Hoping to do an event this spring - we'll see if I have enough inventory. scrollingforsanity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrollingforsanity Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Great video Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgerboy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I tried this method today on some bb ply and pulled my hair out. The pattern/shelf paper was not adhering to the bb and lifting during my cuts. Ended up covering everything with packing tape so I could finish. Same brand shelf liner, need to figure what went wrong or I will be tossing the remainder of the roll. Live and learn is a good day I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sycamore67 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Of tape or liner is lifting, a couple suggestions that I do. I will lightly sand the BB with 220 or 320 sand paper. Then completely clean the BB off. I sometimes use a tag with just a few drops of water on it. Wilson142 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barb.j.enders Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Thanks for the video. I just bought some shelf liner at the dollar store. It is white. Don't care about it being clear. $1.25 per roll. For what I cut, should last a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don in brooklin on Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 11 hours ago, Badgerboy said: I tried this method today on some bb ply and pulled my hair out. The pattern/shelf paper was not adhering to the bb and lifting during my cuts. Ended up covering everything with packing tape so I could finish. Same brand shelf liner, need to figure what went wrong or I will be tossing the remainder of the roll. Live and learn is a good day I guess. I had the same issue with the clear shelf liner on BB. I do a lot of ornaments and as you say I had a really tough time on intricate work. I did find that if I cover the bb a coat of shellac first it fixed some of the issues. Applying shellac to BB also helps when using blue painters tape with the pull up of fibers. I had a complete roll and I did end up using on a number of projects like the puzzle dogs and other wood projects. I never would use on close cut fretwork. My roll is gone and I will buy another in Walmart as it does come in handy at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) Great video! I use the Contact brand removable clear. Real easy to remove the pattern on delicate fretwork. Don I very rarely have had any issue with adhesion or pulled fibers. I do pre sand all of my BB to a minimum of 240. Wipe the dust off before attaching the Removable shelf paper. They are all not created equal! And the only time packing tape touches any of my projects is when I am doing compound cutting Never under a pattern. That is some serious inventory! interesting that you spray the entire board. Doesn't the sticky in the waste areas bother you when cutting? Never mind I just read the comments after your video about dusting the board with sawdust. Clever man you are. Could you post the link to the laser. Since I just bought one for engraving. I got the KKmoon master 7000 and before anyone goes nuts Note that I said Engraving NOT cutting. It isn't powerful enough for that. Edited March 7, 2020 by Rolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson142 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, don in brooklin on said: I never would use on close cut fretwork. My roll is gone and I will buy another in Walmart as it does come in handy at times. I do a lot of intricate fretwork and I was worried about removal issues with the shelf liner. In my experience I find that in the fine areas, the paper comes off quite easily because there is far less area for it to stick to. The areas that are larger and have fewer holes are harder to remove than the rest. I don't precoat my wood but, I do sand and tack cloth the surface before applying the liner. I always sand the back before removing the paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 All Charles Hand uses under his projects is the clear shelf liner and his projects are incredibly detailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 I pre- sand ALL my projects before applying the shelf liner and pattern.. I sand down to 320.. just wipe off the sanded project with a paper towel before applying the shelf liner.. Only a couple times have I had any issues with it sticking too good.. and I blame that on getting side tracked with other orders etc and the problematic issue I blame on having sat for several weeks or even months before getting back to finish up the project.. Then it was stuck really well.. I found if I let it set out in the sun for a while it'd lift up much easier.. hair drier works well as does a heat gun if you have lifting off problems.. I've never had any issues with it not sticking good enough.. well actually I did.. and that was many years ago before I pre- sanded the wood.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry1939 Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 Thanks for the video Scott. I retired from scrolling last summer & gave the saw to a son in another State. Used WalMart shelf paper. My shaking hands had trouble starting to remove the backing paper. With backing paper up, I learned to hold down A TINY corner with one finger & fold the triangular corner up & back over flat. Took the metal tip of a ball point pen, pushed down hard & rubbed the heck out of it until it broke the bond and separated jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgerboy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, don in brooklin on said: I had the same issue with the clear shelf liner on BB. I do a lot of ornaments and as you say I had a really tough time on intricate work. I did find that if I cover the bb a coat of shellac first it fixed some of the issues. Applying shellac to BB also helps when using blue painters tape with the pull up of fibers. I had a complete roll and I did end up using on a number of projects like the puzzle dogs and other wood projects. I never would use on close cut fretwork. My roll is gone and I will buy another in Walmart as it does come in handy at times. Thanks Don, using shellac is a great idea. I finished cutting my project this morning but it was an unpleasant experience with all the pattern lifting. However in challenges comes great learning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badgerboy Posted March 7, 2020 Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 3 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: I pre- sand ALL my projects before applying the shelf liner and pattern.. I sand down to 320.. just wipe off the sanded project with a paper towel before applying the shelf liner.. Only a couple times have I had any issues with it sticking too good.. and I blame that on getting side tracked with other orders etc and the problematic issue I blame on having sat for several weeks or even months before getting back to finish up the project.. Then it was stuck really well.. I found if I let it set out in the sun for a while it'd lift up much easier.. hair drier works well as does a heat gun if you have lifting off problems.. I've never had any issues with it not sticking good enough.. well actually I did.. and that was many years ago before I pre- sanded the wood.. Thanks Kevin, I did presand to 220 and wipe down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iguanadon Posted March 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Rolf said: Great video! I use the Contact brand removable clear. Real easy to remove the pattern on delicate fretwork. Don I very rarely have had any issue with adhesion or pulled fibers. I do pre sand all of my BB to a minimum of 240. Wipe the dust off before attaching the Removable shelf paper. They are all not created equal! And the only time packing tape touches any of my projects is when I am doing compound cutting Never under a pattern. That is some serious inventory! interesting that you spray the entire board. Doesn't the sticky in the waste areas bother you when cutting? Never mind I just read the comments after your video about dusting the board with sawdust. Clever man you are. Could you post the link to the laser. Since I just bought one for engraving. I got the KKmoon master 7000 and before anyone goes nuts Note that I said Engraving NOT cutting. It isn't powerful enough for that. Here is where I got my ENGRAVER the customer service is excellent. Nancy literally called me when I informed her I had received it and she walked me through how to do things after I had assembled it and downloaded the software. I got the 3500 model. https://nmclasers.com/shop?olsPage=t%2Flaser-engraver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhudson Posted March 27, 2020 Report Share Posted March 27, 2020 I found this video and the info very useful. Thanks for providing clear and precise direction. It was a game changer for a recent project of mine. Iguanadon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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