ike Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 My 18 month Delta has a ad bearing in it so I sent it to the repair shop for warentee work who knows how long that will take soi went and ordered a new Excalabor EX 21 I finally have enough money for it, but I didn't tell my Wife what it cost.Hope it doesn't take too long getting here , I will probably get my shop cleaned out it's been months since it was cleaned I didn't spend that much money for my first used car, a 57 chev IKE amazingkevin, OCtoolguy, GrampaJim and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 You are bound to enjoy your new saw Ike. My worst fear is that when I die the missus will sell all my tools for price I told her I paid for them cwamelotti@att.net, OCtoolguy and amazingkevin 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denny Knappen Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Enjoy the new Saw OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Enjoy the new saw.. and hoping the Delta isn't too long in the shop.. be interesting to hear how you like the EX-21.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Congrats on your new saw. If it's half as good as my EX's, you'll love it. I'm curious though as to why you opted not to buy a Pegas. Any reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgman Posted July 4, 2020 Report Share Posted July 4, 2020 Sorry to hear about your troubles Ike. I hope your new Excalibur is a good one Ike. The current Excalibur EX is made in China and is not getting good reviews. Just ask Kevin @kmmcrafts. kmmcrafts, NC Scroller and OCtoolguy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ike Posted July 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 I guess I am old school I bought the EX21 because they are proven good. amazingkevin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 21 minutes ago, ike said: I guess I am old school I bought the EX21 because they are proven good. They are good saws Ike.. BUT, that said.. they moved production of the EX-21 to China and the NEW 2017 and newer are made in China.. there have been lots of issues with the "NEW" China made saws.. I have one and it has had some issues... however.. the issues I've had was mostly minor.. BUT then again.. I'm mechanically inclined and do my own diagnostics and repairs so something minor to me might be a major issue to someone else.. Ray at Seyco doesn't support the new 2017 and newer saws.. But.. He claims the parts are interchangeable but he also won't guarantee they'll fit.. I'm getting ready to do a complete rebuild on mine.. so I should be able to testify this soon.. I ordered the parts from Ray and have them now.. I just need to take a half day off to do the repairs.. I'll try to at least grab several photos of the rebuild if I don't get video of it.. I have about 400 hours use on my saw.. and the two main issues I had with it was.. 1) The upper blade chuck kept giving me fits.. I believe it was defective but it could have been just user error too.. Upgrading to the Pegas blade chucks made it a much better saw... 2nd issue was the back knob at the back of the saw kept turning on it's own.. and loosing tension of the blade just doing small amount of one cutout.. Many have shown a rubber band wrapped around it to hold it in position proved to work well for them.. But I opted to take it apart and put blue loc-tite on the threads.. which about 200 hours run time and still working well for me.. I've had the dreaded bearing issues that you get with the DeWalts.. Not sure if it's because of the 400 hours run time or bad quality bearings or grease.. The one bearing I believe had no grease at all as it had rusted to the bearing pin / sleeve.. I freed it up and greased all the bearings last year but sadly it really needed new bearings.. There are no sources for parts or service with the China made saw.. But it is basically the same saw as the others so I'm chancing that the $300 in parts I just bought for it ( all new insides ) from Ray that is made for the original EX will work in my China made one... as I said.. we'll find out in a few weeks.. when I take the time to rebuild it.. wish me luck... Rolf and amazingkevin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 (edited) Kevin I am glad you brought that up about the New cloned Chinese EX's. How much cheaper are they than a Pegas to make it worth the risk? The Pegas is actually cheaper and it comes with the Pegas clamps. Edited July 10, 2020 by Rolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rolf said: Kevin I am glad you brought that up about the New cloned Chinese EX's. How much cheaper are they than a Pegas to make it worth the risk? The Pegas is actually cheaper and it comes with the Pegas clamps. The EX-21 used to be much cheaper when they first released the back on the market.. I believe they was priced at around $530.. nearly the same price as a DeWalt.. My saw I bought was second hand but still in the sealed box.. I gave $340 for it.. put a$100 in for the Pegas chucks and bought a stand so I have around $550 into mine.. BUT.. I've also put 400 hours on the saw in the 3 years I've had it.. ( 400 hours is a estimate as I didn't put hour meters on my saws until March of 2019 and now has 200 hours on it ).. It's been a good back-up saw for me and just something different to run when I want a break from the Hawks.. I really haven't used it a lot or as a main saw..could do without it.. Curiosity got me and wondered about if the guts from the original EX will fit this China made one.. I bought all the parts from Ray at Seyco a few weeks ago.. I'll be doing this swap soon.. then my saw should be the same as a original EX.. It seems well built other than the bearings.. are sloppy right out of the box.. Not sure some of them even had any grease.. Be interesting how these new parts make the saw run.. IMO.. the saw has never ran as smooth as it should even when new and out of the box had some noise and vibration.. Probably from those bearing that had no grease.. they was actually rusty when I pulled it apart last fall.. Smoothest it ever ran was after greasing it up etc but I couldn't find a source for the bearing sleeves and as you can imagine the bearing and sleeves was pretty shot after running the saw for 300 hours with no grease.. I've bought and will be replacing everything short of the electronics.. So in short to answer the question.. NO it's not worth the cheaper cost if you have to put bearings in it soon.. The saw itself seems well built.. but they cheapen out on bearings and the castings for the blade chucks.. etc.. I've got $300 in parts to replace all of the components.. Add that to the price I paid for the saw and what have you and I could have bought the Pegas saw which is even a better bearing machine as they upgraded the bearing sizes etc. from what the EX has.. because they seem to "want to" build and improve upon a nice EX style saw.. while China seems to cheapen it up just to make a buck.. They are now priced way too high for the saw you get.. unless they've started adding better bearings and actually adding grease.. When I bought mine there was no Pegas yet.. nor was there a known China made EX.. I thought I was getting a new original EX as they had been discontinued at the time I got mine.. It was one of the first ones in the USA from China.. Rolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 I see they are selling the EX-21 for $599 on Amazon right now. That is a considerable drop from the price I paid for my Taiwanese version, from SEYCO a few years ago. I'm not complaining, just wondering which corners they cut to get such a comparatively low price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted July 10, 2020 Report Share Posted July 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Bill WIlson said: I see they are selling the EX-21 for $599 on Amazon right now. That is a considerable drop from the price I paid for my Taiwanese version, from SEYCO a few years ago. I'm not complaining, just wondering which corners they cut to get such a comparatively low price. Cheap labor.. inferior metals for the bearings and skip the grease is my experience, LOL The blade clamps never worked smoothly for me... I don't know if it's because of quality or the user.. LOL.. maybe a little of both.. Be thankful you paid a lot more for a "quality" saw.. I've seen some good and bad reviews of the China made saw.. Of coarse most folks that do not have a complaint also do not leave reviews too.. ( including me sometimes)..but you can sure bet if there is issues there will be bad reviews.. People like to complain but not compliment.. so you have to take reviews with a grain or two of salt I guess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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