This weeks Discoveries!

[new2woodwrk]

You all probably already know these things, but for those new scrollers that may not here are a few discoveries I made this week...

Veining - Veining has been a problem for me. I don't have anything small enough to get inside some of the veins on the puzzles I've been making to clean out sawdust or fuzzies.

What I found is for most of the veining, I can slip a piece of paper into the vein, slide it back and forth and use it as a quasi sand paper to get into those really tight spaces!

Evapo-rust - Incredible.... Again! So I found a tool box a few days ago while walking the dogs. I looked inside and found a bunch of tools badly rusted. I took the box anyway as I was hoping I could clean up the box and re-use it. The box had wrenches, driver bits, lots of sockets and a few socket wrenches, needle nose pliers and some odds and ends tools.

Here is an example of how rusted the tools, sockets and bits were:

On a whim, I filled a few plastic cups with Evapo-Rust and dropped a few of the tools and sockets into each and let them soak over night.

Here are the bits after the over night soak

All or most of the rust has been removed but not really good for using as there is a black film on them

I ran the bits and tools through a sanding mop and this is the result of the bits

Easily usable now!

I don't have any pics of the tools before or during soak but the results were identical. All the wrenches came out clean, the sockets all came out near perfect, the needle nose pliers are now in my stock. I was only able to salvage 1 of 3 socket wrenches... So far - I put them back in a clean Evapo-rust solution hoping I can salvage them as well. They've been soaking for 3 days now and I'll let them go one more day before tossing them out.

Thanks as always in advance for reading

[Denny Knappen]

For veining, I use Pegas Spiral blades the number depends on the thickness of the vein.  Pulling the blades back out the vein cleans out most of the fuzzies.

[OCtoolguy]

Thanks for the tip. I've never heard of that brand. I will have to do some looking for it. I bought a used bench top drill press yesterday and it has some surface rust on it. I'll try to find that stuff and give it a try.

[new2woodwrk]

51 minutes ago, octoolguy said:

Thanks for the tip. I've never heard of that brand. I will have to do some looking for it. I bought a used bench top drill press yesterday and it has some surface rust on it. I'll try to find that stuff and give it a try.

As far as I know HF is the only one that carries it.

For surface rust I would use naval jelly though - the Evapo-rust stuff is really good, but depending on how much rust there is it's not for every application

Edited October 9, 2020 by new2woodwrk

[fredfret]

To clean veins I use non waxed dental floss. 

[amazingkevin]

I understand muriatic acid for pools cleans every bit of rust off of metal.I would imagine a little scrub would be in order?

[new2woodwrk]

1 hour ago, fredfret said:

To clean veins I use non waxed dental floss. 

Oh that's a good one!

[new2woodwrk]

39 minutes ago, amazingkevin said:

I understand muriatic acid for pools cleans every bit of rust off of metal.I would imagine a little scrub would be in order?

Yes it does to an extent. I've tried it and it requires a lot more "elbow grease" than just letting the items soak over night

[Wizard of Oz]

For rust removal, look up electrolysis, on you-tube.  Works great, an will not hurt the metal like acid will. Just my two cents.

Oz

[Rockytime]

3 hours ago, amazingkevin said:

I understand muriatic acid for pools cleans every bit of rust off of metal.I would imagine a little scrub would be in order?

Years ago my wife left a bottle of muriatic acid uncapped on my work bench. Don't know how long it was there but EVERY cast iron surface on my tools had a nasty case of rust. Table saw and hand tools. Evapo-Rust. I love it. I keep a gallon of it around. Used it several years ago restoring a Burke #4 horizontal mill. Fantastic stuff.

[wombatie]

I use a lot of 1200 wet/dry sanding sheets and they are very thin, so I cut off pieces about 3 inches long and cut the ends into a point and presto they fit into the veining gaps.

Marg

[amazingkevin]

11 hours ago, Rockytime said:

Years ago my wife left a bottle of muriatic acid uncapped on my work bench. Don't know how long it was there but EVERY cast iron surface on my tools had a nasty case of rust. Table saw and hand tools. Evapo-Rust. I love it. I keep a gallon of it around. Used it several years ago restoring a Burke #4 horizontal mill. Fantastic stuff.

Ah yes just like sandblasting metal you need to seal it from the elements after treatment.

[amazingkevin]

12 hours ago, Wizard of Oz said:

For rust removal, look up electrolysis, on you-tube.  Works great, an will not hurt the metal like acid will. Just my two cents.

Oz

That's a little more high tech than the average Joe would want to go thru!!! Good one!!!

[new2woodwrk]

22 hours ago, Wizard of Oz said:

For rust removal, look up electrolysis, on you-tube.  Works great, an will not hurt the metal like acid will. Just my two cents.

Oz

Yes I know all about this method - way more effort and science than I will ever want to attempt

 

[OCtoolguy]

What should I use to neutrilize the naval jelly? I've never used it before but for the vertical post I think it would be the best product.

[Rolf]

new2woodwrk

How are things in Panama city?  I was stationed a Tyndal AFB for 3 years back in the late 60's. 

Lots of great memories.

Thanks for the tip on the Evapo-rust

[hotshot]

On 10/9/2020 at 6:59 PM, Wizard of Oz said:

For rust removal, look up electrolysis, on you-tube.  Works great, an will not hurt the metal like acid will. Just my two cents.

Oz

I love these kinds of posts . . . . I've recently done the electrolysis approach.  Since I already had a few pieces of rebar, some wire, a 5 gal bucket, and a powersource, so had this up and running in like 10 minutes.  Very easy, very effective.  I was using a small transformer, but am looking to kick it up a notch with a more powerful car battery charger.  For small stuff, I like the evaporust idea, but I was doing large pieces that wouldn't be practical with that approach.  And honestly, I was "looking for an excuse" to try it and I thought the process was very intriguing.

For small parts, a tumber would be great for cleanup after the evaporust.  I have a magnetic polisher that I use for small stuff also, and it does well also.

Edited October 12, 2020 by hotshot

[new2woodwrk]

19 hours ago, octoolguy said:

What should I use to neutrilize the naval jelly? I've never used it before but for the vertical post I think it would be the best product.

Naval Jelly is very simple to use - I use the Loctite brand...

Scrape/remove the surface rust, apply by rubbing the naval jelly on the rusted area, let stand about 5 mins then rinse or remove with a damp/wet towel.

[new2woodwrk]

7 hours ago, Rolf said:

new2woodwrk

How are things in Panama city?  I was stationed a Tyndal AFB for 3 years back in the late 60's. 

Lots of great memories.

Thanks for the tip on the Evapo-rust

Panama City has changed significantly since you were last here. Actually it has changed several times since then.

It is no longer a spring break fiasco location, although there are a few breakers that continue to come.

Mostly we see northerners and westerners vacationing and moving here. Specially now that many are fleeing the northern blue states.

The amount of relocationer's from the north right now is amazing!

[Rolf]

I remember Sheriff Doc Daffit arresting all of the long haired hippies from Alabama for vagrancy, shaving their hair off , apologizing for the misunderstanding and letting them go.

We also have a mass exodus from NYC out to our neck of the woods, Housing prices have gone absolutely bonkers. We are in a small incorporated village "Bellport", the dividing line through it is South country rd. The Million dollar homes are to the south and "normal folks" like us north. Many of the southern homes were summer houses, a recent sale 5M. Many of these folks work in the city and are now permanent residents.  Two houses just around the corner just sold for 1m+, the average home price on the north side has jumped to 450- 500 and they sell within days. All of this new wealth is proving a desperately needed  boost to the business in our village.