A regular quiet shop possible outside of fein or festool???

[nrscroller]

HI

I have a hang up shop vac brand hooked to my dust deputy and is is really loud. I wear muffs but it's still loud with them on. Outside of the high priced fein or festool stuff I don't need, does anyone make a decent sounding shop vac out there or maybe I should look for a regular vacuum that would work. Suggestions? 

Thanks

Bill

[new2woodwrk]

Shop vac or dust control?

I have 3 - 2 Rigid vacs - one is very loud (5 gal), the other loud but not as much (3 gal)

I also have a 2hp dust control from HF - it is the quietest of the 3. Once it starts it purrs fairly quietly

[teachnlearn]

If its really loud with hearing protection, invest in better hearing protection. Cheap does effect quality and your hearing. Look at reviews and invest. Its a important piece of equipment in your shop and will last. The sound level is always a fight with shop machines, even this forum has a history of discussions that can be searched. RJF

[OCtoolguy]

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Edited December 16, 2020 by octoolguy

[nrscroller]

HI guys,

Thanks for the input, I was going to buy the dust collector that goes on the wall and the guy at Rockler talked me out of it. He said if all I was gonna do was scroll saw and sand I didn't need it. Does he really know what he is doing????? According to reviews on the harbor freight one also, everyone likes it and it does the job. 

I personally would rather have the dust collector so is that gonna pick up sawdust from my scrollsaw and my sanders?

Thanks

Bill

[new2woodwrk]

1 hour ago, nrscroller said:

HI guys,

Thanks for the input, I was going to buy the dust collector that goes on the wall and the guy at Rockler talked me out of it. He said if all I was gonna do was scroll saw and sand I didn't need it. Does he really know what he is doing????? According to reviews on the harbor freight one also, everyone likes it and it does the job. 

I personally would rather have the dust collector so is that gonna pick up sawdust from my scrollsaw and my sanders?

Thanks

Bill

If you run the lines correctly yes, it will do that and more.

HF has 2 dust collectors: 2 HP and 1 HP - if you are only running those 2 machines, the 1 Hp will probably be more than enough

However, if you are considering adding more machines, I;d go with the 2 Hp - it's not much more and will be all you need.... Forever LOL

I have:

Table, Miter, 2 Scroll saws, 2 Drill presses 1 used as a sander, Belt/Disc sander, Grinder, Dremel and 3 work benches - my 2 hp handles them all and I can vacuum the floor when I'm done.

It's a real workhorse! At 4 years old it's probably the 3rd best piece of equipment I've purchased with no problems

 

[Rockytime]

All this talk about dust collection. Unless you have a shop equipped with heavy duty tools, table saw, planer, router, jointer, band saw and other, big pieces of equipment, dust collectors are in the way. If all you are doing is scrolling simple things like a Dust Deputy and the like are all you need. I have a HF 13 gallon DC. I got it to use on my mini lathe when I was making pens and other things. I also have a mini router table on which I use it. I have it mounted high on a shelf outside my small shop as it took too much room and was noisy. I used 4 inch PVC and some flex tubing from Woodcraft. I found it useless for my scroll saws. Too big and not very practical necking down to 1 inch for the scroll saw. I use 2 small cyclones with 2 small vacuums, a Filter Queen and an Oreck. Get lots of suction. They suck up all the dust as well lots of the small chips and pieces. Had I a well equipped shop, of course I would love ducted DC to all my tools. The choice is yours but I agree with the Rockler salesperson. He's doing you a favor.

[OCtoolguy]

39 minutes ago, Rockytime said:

All this talk about dust collection. Unless you have a shop equipped with heavy duty tools, table saw, planer, router, jointer, band saw and other, big pieces of equipment, dust collectors are in the way. If all you are doing is scrolling simple things like a Dust Deputy and the like are all you need. I have a HF 13 gallon DC. I got it to use on my mini lathe when I was making pens and other things. I also have a mini router table on which I use it. I have it mounted high on a shelf outside my small shop as it took too much room and was noisy. I used 4 inch PVC and some flex tubing from Woodcraft. I found it useless for my scroll saws. Too big and not very practical necking down to 1 inch for the scroll saw. I use 2 small cyclones with 2 small vacuums, a Filter Queen and an Oreck. Get lots of suction. They suck up all the dust as well lots of the small chips and pieces. Had I a well equipped shop, of course I would love ducted DC to all my tools. The choice is yours but I agree with the Rockler salesperson. He's doing you a favor.

I completely agree with you Les. I have a Fein vac/DustDeputy that I had plumbed to my first scroll saw. When I sold that saw, I decided to have a dedicated dust collection system for each of my two scroll saws. I am using essentially the same systems as you except I have 2 of the MetroVac500's along with the mini cyclones. I still use the Fein but for other things like cleaning around the shop. I put together a Ridgid 14 gallon vac with a Dustopper from H/D for my table saw and router table when I work outdoors. There are so many ways to go on this subject that I feel that it all depends on your individual needs. I think the best thing I had purchased so far for dust is my Wen air cleaner. I have it mounted up above my primary scroll station and let it run whenever I'm in my shop. It does a great job of cleaning the air that I breathe. I also wear a dust mask with changeable filters. Another great system that works and is very cheap is the 20 inch box fan with a furnace filter attached to it. I found that it caught most of the dust that was being blown off my scroll saw table. 

 

[kmmcrafts]

I bought this system late last summer.. https://www.seyco.com/dv-10a-cyclonic-action-scroll-saw-dust-collector/

It is much quieter than my shop vac but not as quiet as I'd like.. also not as effective as I'd like.. Good suction for beneath the saw but I don't know that it would be anough to put a T hose and run a top and bottom collection hose... In all honesty I think the best option for a " new system is going to be a Festool or Fein vacuum and some PVC piping to the saw.. as well as a dust separator...  I have a big 2HP dust collector from Harbor Freight.. Works great for big equipment ( ie planer, big resaw bandsaw, and CNC router.. This thing isn't something I would recommend to use for fine scroll saw dust.. 

[Zoot Fenster]

Earmuffs are your friend. Nice, comfortable noise cancelling earmuffs with bluetooth music capability.  I have burned out two Fein shop vacs and currently run a Festool for the spindle sander and scroll saw.  They are quieter than the Fein or Shopvac, but they aren't that quiet.  And the air flow from the big cyclone dust collector still whistles, even though the cyclone is located in a closet and vents through the wall.  I have been through 3-4 dust collection setups and none of them are quiet or collect all the dust.  Lots of wasted money.  If I wanted a quiet woodworking hobby, I should have learned to use chisels and hand saws.

[kmmcrafts]

David said it best.. My lousy experience with dust collecting has been a trade off.. I've never been 100% satisfied with the dust collected.. Yes my big collection for the planer is a great tool to have since I hate shoveling sawdust off the floor.. and the planer makes a lot of that.. so I'm satisfied with it.. noise well as I said before.. I don't even hear the dust collector when the planer is running. 

For the fine sawdust from our scroll saws.. after experimenting with many different variations of collecting that fine dust and the tradeoff of quiet and noisy.. I'm beginning to think my original system was more effective and quiet.. I spend many long hours behind a scroll saw in my shop.. the sound of vacuums and dust collectors running all day long 5-7 days a week is a lot.. My old method of a box fan and a furnace filter on the side of the saw that the dust blower blows toward at saw table level that seems pretty effective.. quiet and cheaper than any other system.. a broom or better yet.. shop vac to run for 5 minutes to clean the floor around the saw each day seems more effective to me.. If I'm not going to get 90% + of the dust with a saw activated dust collector and have to listen to the noise all day long.. The good old box fan and furnace filter seem to look better and better all the time.. 

I've really been considering setting up a old squirrel cage blower ( furnace blower fan ) and running it with different inlet locations with filters to filter the whole shop better and more efficient.. and much cheaper than these expensive noisy vacuums.. 

As Ray said.. that WEN ceiling hanging air filtration system is a nice quiet fine dust collection machine.. the combo of that and a box fan by the saw seems to work nice and on the cheap which is a bonus.  I think my seyco system only getting about 70% of the dust and I have to put up with the noise.. That dust at the bottom of the saw really mostly just floats to the floor.. the dust I hate is what gets stirred into the air.. what the scrollsaws dust blower is doing.. and what the box fan takes care of 95% of.. IF you position it correctly.. seems to be the most effective fine dust collection I've used yet.. and just the soft sound of a fan running is nice.. I can still hear my radio..