chuck heads

[red river]

Hi ya'll......I hear alot of talk about swapping out chuck heads, usually for Pegas chuck heads. Clue me in to what the deal is.....Do they wear out periodacally? How do you know when they need to be replaced? Is Pegas the go to brand and how do they benefit a scroller. I appreciate you guys and gals....forrest

[Fedido]

Pegas clamps are the best out there and they are made for many different saws. In reality, all saws chuck screws wear. This is due to the motion of the saw while in action. It holds the blade tight while in operation. Over time, the heads wear and allow the blade to either lose tension or just come off completely. One thing you can do to prolong them is to sand the ends some so that the whole pin holds the blade. If gone unserviced, would make cutting anything a challenge. Every new scroller usually learns this lesson. 

[dgman]

The Pegas blade holders should last the life of the saw. The thumb screws will need servicing periodically as was mentioned above. The ends of the thumb screw will wear and get shiny and slippery causing the blade to slip. Here’s what I do: I take a small piece of hardwood approximately 3/8 x 2”x2”. Drill a hole just slightly smaller than the threads of the thumb screw. The hole has to be absolutely perpendicular to the wood. Screw the thumb screw so the tip just protrudes through the wood. Now, sand on a flat piece of 220 grit sand paper till the tip is no longer shiny and flat. This procedure applies to all saws with a thumb screw. I’ve had my Pegas saw for about six months now and haven’t needed to dress them yet, but I know they will need it at some point.

[Fedido]

@dgman thanks for the translation. 

[Denny Knappen]

The Pegas Chuck Head Sets are a great replacement on most saws. I replaced them on my EX21 several years ago, even before I became a Pegas dealer.  What an improvement.  Over time, the set and thumb screw made need replacing.  In addition the tension lever will wear.  In fact, Pegas ships hese parts with each new saw.  I keep these in stock at most times.

[OCtoolguy]

3 hours ago, Denny Knappen said:

The Pegas Chuck Head Sets are a great replacement on most saws. I replaced them on my EX21 several years ago, even before I became a Pegas dealer.  What an improvement.  Over time, the set and thumb screw made need replacing.  In addition the tension lever will wear.  In fact, Pegas ships hese parts with each new saw.  I keep these in stock at most times.

Thanks Denny. That's good to know. Also, the subject has come up in another thread regarding the parts necessary to rebuild a Pegas/Excalibur type saw. Are you going to be stocking the bearings/sleeves/etc over time? I hate to have to buy the entire assembly from Seyco to rebuild my Ex.

 

[Denny Knappen]

5 minutes ago, octoolguy said:

Thanks Denny. That's good to know. Also, the subject has come up in another thread regarding the parts necessary to rebuild a Pegas/Excalibur type saw. Are you going to be stocking the bearings/sleeves/etc over time? I hate to have to buy the entire assembly from Seyco to rebuild my Ex.

 

Not sure, but at this time only suggested maintenance items.

[OCtoolguy]

I would think with the number of saws being sold/used that it might pay to become a stocking dealer for parts. Maybe cut a deal with Pegas?

 

 

[kmmcrafts]

13 hours ago, octoolguy said:

I would think with the number of saws being sold/used that it might pay to become a stocking dealer for parts. Maybe cut a deal with Pegas?

 

 

I think Seyco IS the only place where you can easily buy parts online for these type of saws. Pegas being the new kid on the block so to speak, haven't been around long enough for a "need" yet.. and I can certainly understand on the business end of things not wanting parts setting around collecting dust. Maybe there should be a website to " order " needed parts set up so at least folks could have some sort of outlet once that need arises. I also think this could help in the sales of Pegas saws and other items.. I've seen many times people asking where parts could be had for Pegas and then not really seeing any sources choose to buy a Seyco instead because parts are listed right on Seyco's site. 

 

[OCtoolguy]

4 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

I think Seyco IS the only place where you can easily buy parts online for these type of saws. Pegas being the new kid on the block so to speak, haven't been around long enough for a "need" yet.. and I can certainly understand on the business end of things not wanting parts setting around collecting dust. Maybe there should be a website to " order " needed parts set up so at least folks could have some sort of outlet once that need arises. I also think this could help in the sales of Pegas saws and other items.. I've seen many times people asking where parts could be had for Pegas and then not really seeing any sources choose to buy a Seyco instead because parts are listed right on Seyco's site. 

 

Having one set of bearings & sleeves on the shelf would not be a large investment and would allow the dealer to honestly advertise parts availability. Maybe a switch & some fuses. Not much else to wear out normally. It would also be nice to know if Pegas parts would interchange with Excalibur. 

[Woodrush]

Put them on my DeWalt when they first came out and still working like new. I put them on my Excelsior a year and a half ago and haven't had to sand the tips at all. I didn't like the original on my ex as you can't see the top of the blade when installing. Best upgrade I've done

[OCtoolguy]

4 hours ago, Woodrush said:

Put them on my DeWalt when they first came out and still working like new. I put them on my Excelsior a year and a half ago and haven't had to sand the tips at all. I didn't like the original on my ex as you can't see the top of the blade when installing. Best upgrade I've done

Agreed. I did the same.

Edited July 18, 2021 by octoolguy

[heppnerguy]

The problem with DeWalt clamps is mainly due to people their clamps letting the blades slip and treating the problem in the wrong way by dancing the tips of the clamps.  It does make them temporarily hold better but it is a mask for the problem and eventually costs them unnecessary money, when they are faced with the need to buy new clamps. The reason is , they need to continue to then the clamps and dancing them in order to keep tension on he blades. If however, the inserts were replaced instead,  the clamps would function as new. The clamps spread and are no longer at the 90 degrees, causing a small gap between the inserts in the clamps and the blade itself. Tus the entire clamp assembly nerds replacing. Depending on how much one saws in inserts on both the top clamp and the bottom clamp should be changed out e very 6 months to a year. The will happen on most clamps, depending on what they are made of. 

[Woodrush]

On 7/14/2021 at 1:44 PM, octoolguy said:

Having one set of bearings & sleeves on the shelf would not be a large investment and would allow the dealer to honestly advertise parts availability. Maybe a switch & some fuses. Not much else to wear out normally. It would also be nice to know if Pegas parts would interchange with Excalibur. 

I think the only different part is the bearing at the motor

[OCtoolguy]

36 minutes ago, Woodrush said:

I think the only different part is the bearing at the motor

I've heard that there might be differences in the small bearings and sleeves too. I'm just not sure. I had asked Bob Duncan when he was still with Pegas but never did get a definitive answer. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[kmmcrafts]

2 hours ago, octoolguy said:

I've heard that there might be differences in the small bearings and sleeves too. I'm just not sure. I had asked Bob Duncan when he was still with Pegas but never did get a definitive answer. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

I honestly don't think there is a difference in bearings between the Pegas and the King, EX etc.. Why do I say so? You can download the manuals for each saw.. each manual gives the bearing "size" in the specs sheet and all numbers match.. Pretty sure Bob Duncan was blowing salesman smoke when he mentioned the bearing thing on a different forum where I read it.. BUT.. I very well could be wrong because I'm only going off the manuals.. and the Pegas manual is a bit mixed with the EX, King etc.. as some of the picture diagrams show the drawing with a EX style blade chucks.. rather than updating those photos with an actual Pegas chucks on it.. Maybe they've updated it by now.. Who knows.. Maybe someone should take one apart and verify the bearing sizes to the manual specs, LOL..

Either case, both are great saws.. Honestly don't think the China made EX is horrible so long as one expects to "need " to tinker with it and that the original bearings is only good for maybe a year or two at best.. I did use mine a lot.. I don't think the bearing issues was really any different than the DW saw I had.. I suspect the saw will last a bit longer now that I put in some better parts / grease.. but who knows maybe not. The biggest issue with the China made saw that I see is the blade chucks are pure junk.. and the sloppy threads for the arm adjustment knob at the back of the saw could use some tighter tolerances.. Not sure that's an entirely China made saw issue since I've seen this mentioned with the other versions too, loctite did wonders for that issue, others just use rubber bands or tape etc..

Edited July 18, 2021 by kmmcrafts