Scrolling on the go

[Hawk]

My wife and I are doing a lot more RVing as we get closer to my retirement.  As I don't see me hauling my Delta P-20 with me on the road, I was wondering,  is there a saw out there that's preforms as well as my Delta but is half the weight?

Chris

[kmmcrafts]

Those Delta P-20 saws are tanks, I'm certain the weight of one would put my 26" Hawk to shame, LOL

Not knowing how comfortable you are with change etc.. as those older Deltas had the quickset ll blade clamps that you're accustom to. Also not knowing your budget for a saw. I would consider looking for a old 16" Delta with the same quickset clamps they are hard to get parts for though.. Wife wants to travel when we retire I intend to travel with a ( if they're still available then ) 16" King / Excalibur saw.. small compact and light weight, run fairly smooth just setting on a tabletop or maybe clamped to a table top..

If your pockets are lined well with funds and want a quality US made saw, Bushton MFG. has done some RV mods and done a permanent install of the Hawk scroll saw in the RV, actually I think it was custom fitted where it folded out of the outside wall so folded out you was outside sawing and had it's own awning so it didn't get wet in a light rain so still could saw on a rainy day.. That was a story they told me on the phone a couple years back that they did for a couple full time RVers that wanted a scroll shop too. LOL

[Hawk]

38 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said:

Those Delta P-20 saws are tanks, I'm certain the weight of one would put my 26" Hawk to shame, LOL

Not knowing how comfortable you are with change etc.. as those older Deltas had the quickset ll blade clamps that you're accustom to. Also not knowing your budget for a saw. I would consider looking for a old 16" Delta with the same quickset clamps they are hard to get parts for though.. Wife wants to travel when we retire I intend to travel with a ( if they're still available then ) 16" King / Excalibur saw.. small compact and light weight, run fairly smooth just setting on a tabletop or maybe clamped to a table top..

If your pockets are lined well with funds and want a quality US made saw, Bushton MFG. has done some RV mods and done a permanent install of the Hawk scroll saw in the RV, actually I think it was custom fitted where it folded out of the outside wall so folded out you was outside sawing and had it's own awning so it didn't get wet in a light rain so still could saw on a rainy day.. That was a story they told me on the phone a couple years back that they did for a couple full time RVers that wanted a scroll shop too. LOL

You're right, the P20 is a beast, my shop is currently in the basement and I'll have to get some guys to get it out if I evened to move it.

I already have the motorhome part of the equation and I'm pretty sure my wife won't allow me to find a custom job with a scrollsaw (lol). The Delta you mentioned is a saw I had prior to the P20, something I hadn't considered but I must say is an excellent idea. And I believe still have spare parts from that earlier saw.

The search is on....Thanks!!

Chris

Edited July 12, 2021 by Hawk

[FrankEV]

Not sure I can answer your question, but will throw something out just for your consideration.

My small workshop is an 8' x 14' plastic shed and I'm capable of having quite a bit of equipment in this small space.

If you are going to be living in the RV and moving from site to site, staying a while in each, you might want to consider a decent size tailer to tag along behind.

I can see setting up a trailer with a small table saw, scroll saw ( My Pegas would work as it is not very heavy), a small work bench and even a small drill press.   Cabintry can be installed for hand tools, wood materials, etc.  All the power tools can be secured to the floor so no concerns while towing. 

If you plan to tow a car,  you could consider a large auto carrying trailer that has enough room to also carry the power tools that could be set up for doing the wood working while staying at a RV park.  A little inginuity could make this work as long as the pocketbook can handle the strain.

I've seen a lot of commercial workshops on wheel (in trailers) so it is possible to do.

  

 

[new2woodwrk]

Wen has a new saw on the market - 3921 takes both pinned and pinless blades

Wen was my first saw which I still have and is not a bad saw. It is lightweight, easily mountable to  plank for easy setup and break down.

May or may not be a drawback is it's only 16". But if you're on the road and not doing large projects it might be perfect

I know the price point alone is a very attractive feature just over $100!

We bought an enclosed trailer for our scrolling business and fully expect to take it on the road with us when the wife retires in a few years.

We have a 6x12, and fits everything we need for scrolling and setting up a sales shop at events/outdoor markets etc. It is also easily customizable to be able to sleep and eat once we get closer to that "end of the road" time for us

Edited July 12, 2021 by new2woodwrk

[OCtoolguy]

I was a full time RVer and understand your question. After owning 5 different brands/types of saws, were I to go back on the road my saw would be a Hegner. I'd probably try to find a used 14" saw just because of it's overall size/weight. Being in an RV I'd probably not be doing large projects so the capacity would not be a problem. But if you wanted more table/neck capacity then the 18" would be the next choice. I presently own an Ex16, Ex21 and the Hegner 18". Weight-wise the Ex21 is the heaviest. The Ex16 second and the Hegner 3rd. It's overall size is also the smallest. I'd not use the factory stand. I'd mount it to a platform and clamp it to a picnic table or some other heavy table. Not something I'd carry with me. You'd figure out a way. When I was on the road I took up woodcarving so my hobby took up no space and weighed nothing. Good luck in your travels. Your biggest problem will be the fact that it has become very crowded out there now. With the onset of the covid mandate, housebound people all decided to go RVing. We just came back from a long trip and the frustrations of finding a place to park and fighting off the obnoxious new RVers made the trip miserable. We are selling our rig. No more for us.

Edited July 18, 2021 by octoolguy

[kmmcrafts]

2 hours ago, octoolguy said:

I was a full time RVer and understand your question. After owning 5 different brands/types of saws, were I to go back on the road my saw would be a Hegner. I'd probably try to find a used 14" saw just because of it's overall size/weight. Being in an RV I'd probably not be doing large projects so the capacity would not be a problem. But if you wanted more table/neck capacity then the 18" would be the next choice. I presently own an Ex16, Ex21 and the Hegner 18". Weight-wise the Ex21 is the heaviest. The Ex16 second and the Hegner 3rd. It's overall size is also the smallest. I'd not use the factory stand. I'd mount it to a platform and clamp it to a picnic table or some other heavy table. Not something I'd carry with me. You'd figure out a way. When I was on the road I took up woodcarving so my hobby took up no space and weighed nothing. Good luck in your travels. Your biggest problem will be the fact that it has become very crowded out there now. With the onset of the covid hoax housebound people all decided to go RVing. We just came back from a long trip and the frustrations of finding a place to park and fighting off the obnoxious new RVers made the trip miserable. We are selling our rig. No more for us.

Totally understand this too, we didn't do full time RVing but we did do 6 months on and 6 months home for several years, Now we haven't even been anywhere for 4 years and the last time 5 years ago was only a 2 week deal at a local campground,  Last year with the Covid stuff going on there was not a camper in stock at any of the local dealers, everyone went out to do "outside" things.. even tents was sold out as well as bicycles etc.. My brother retired a few years ago and now they do quite a lot of camping. He was saying the parks are full and while the crowded places didn't bother him too much, he did say there is no better entertainment than watching the newbies trying to set up / take down or back into the spots etc.. I think if you can wait it out a couple years the critters will chase out many of the newbies and the parks will thin out a lot. Also, if you really are selling the RV, I'd say now is a great time as there still seems to be a demand for them.. But give it 5 years and there will be a flood of lightly used units out there after the hoopla wears off many of those newbies, LOL 

Back to the scroll saw side of this LOL, I'm really surprised you said you'd take the Hegner over the Excalibur, Everyone I see mention of the Hegners claim without the factory stand or a very solid table they vibrate bad, Maybe these are somewhat newbie folks but many FB groups postings in the last couple years there was a lot of discussion on the vibration issues with the Hegner unless it's on the factory stand or very well made stand. I don't know this to be true as I have no first hand experience with the Hegners. I have run my EX-21 just sitting on a bench and not too much vibration issues and a couple grip clamps wouldn't take care of. I will say I do know Hawks are pretty fussy with the stand being planted firmly onto the concrete floor. I've often thought about moving my saws upstairs in the loft of my shop but I'm not sure how well they'd run on the wood floor.. 

[OCtoolguy]

31 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said:

Totally understand this too, we didn't do full time RVing but we did do 6 months on and 6 months home for several years, Now we haven't even been anywhere for 4 years and the last time 5 years ago was only a 2 week deal at a local campground,  Last year with the Covid stuff going on there was not a camper in stock at any of the local dealers, everyone went out to do "outside" things.. even tents was sold out as well as bicycles etc.. My brother retired a few years ago and now they do quite a lot of camping. He was saying the parks are full and while the crowded places didn't bother him too much, he did say there is no better entertainment than watching the newbies trying to set up / take down or back into the spots etc.. I think if you can wait it out a couple years the critters will chase out many of the newbies and the parks will thin out a lot. Also, if you really are selling the RV, I'd say now is a great time as there still seems to be a demand for them.. But give it 5 years and there will be a flood of lightly used units out there after the hoopla wears off many of those newbies, LOL 

Back to the scroll saw side of this LOL, I'm really surprised you said you'd take the Hegner over the Excalibur, Everyone I see mention of the Hegners claim without the factory stand or a very solid table they vibrate bad, Maybe these are somewhat newbie folks but many FB groups postings in the last couple years there was a lot of discussion on the vibration issues with the Hegner unless it's on the factory stand or very well made stand. I don't know this to be true as I have no first hand experience with the Hegners. I have run my EX-21 just sitting on a bench and not too much vibration issues and a couple grip clamps wouldn't take care of. I will say I do know Hawks are pretty fussy with the stand being planted firmly onto the concrete floor. I've often thought about moving my saws upstairs in the loft of my shop but I'm not sure how well they'd run on the wood floor.. 

Hi Kevin, to address the RV thing first, we are now both late 70's so our RV days are pretty much behind us. No matter what, it's still a lot of work to set up and take down your rig each time you move. That said, that in itself would not turn me off. But, the young families DO. They young set today have no regards for anybody but themselves and to try to address the out of control kids, you might as well put your fingers in a lamp socket. They will defend them all the way up to and including committing murder. I'm not a KID person but to find a family with well behaved kids, I always take the time to compliment the parents. So, we will just sell out and leave that lifestyle to the more "flexible" people who don't mind being intruded upon by others who you don't really want to be with.

Ok, now to explain myself on the choice of saws. If you noticed, I led off with a 14" Hegner. Mainly for it's size and weight. That would be the best for carting around in an RV. I do love my Excaliburs but they are heavy and even the 16" is still bigger than my 18" Hegner. I've measured them. And they weigh about the same or more than my 18" Hegner. If you have a huge RV with diesel power, then the sky is the limit. At that point, I'd opt for the saw that I like the most. I'm still deciding which one I favor but I'm still leaning toward the Ex's. Mainly because I like to do angled cutting and the tilting arm/head are just great. And the Hegners have so few moving parts to maintain that they become something that can take being jostled around in the storage compartments of an RV. So, I think I have explained my choice. As for the vibration issue, I have had all of my saws running on my bench at one time or another and find that if clamped down they all have a certain amount of vibration but each one has what I call a "sweet spot". I never run any of my saws full speed. I find that the Hegner has a spot between 700 and 1000 that is just right and it doesn't seem to matter whether it's on the factory stand or on my bench. When on the stand, it is still sitting on a foam pad floor covering. None of my 3 saws vibrate uncontrollably. If they did, they'd belong to someone else. I am going to have to sell one of my Ex's and it will probably be the 16 inch just because I need the space. No other reason. I love them all.

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by octoolguy

[kmmcrafts]

22 minutes ago, octoolguy said:

Hi Kevin, to address the RV thing first, we are now both late 70's so our RV days are pretty much behind us. No matter what, it's still a lot of work to set up and take down your rig each time you move. That said, that in itself would not turn me off. But, the young families DO. They young set today have no regards for anybody but themselves and to try to address the out of control kids, you might as well put your fingers in a lamp socket. They will defend them all the way up to and including committing murder. I'm not a KID person but to find a family with well behaved kids, I always take the time to compliment the parents. So, we will just sell out and leave that lifestyle to the more "flexible" people who don't mind being intruded upon by others who you don't really want to be with.

Ok, now to explain myself on the choice of saws. If you noticed, I led off with a 14" Hegner. Mainly for it's size and weight. That would be the best for carting around in an RV. I do love my Excaliburs but they are heavy and even the 16" is still bigger than my 18" Hegner. I've measured them. And they weigh about the same or more than my 18" Hegner. If you have a huge RV with diesel power, then the sky is the limit. At that point, I'd opt for the saw that I like the most. I'm still deciding which one I favor but I'm still leaning toward the Ex's. Mainly because I like to do angled cutting and the tilting arm/head are just great. And the Hegners have so few moving parts to maintain that they become something that can take being jostled around in the storage compartments of an RV. So, I think I have explained my choice. As for the vibration issue, I have had all of my saws running on my bench at one time or another and find that if clamped down they all have a certain amount of vibration but each one has what I call a "sweet spot". I never run any of my saws full speed. I find that the Hegner has a spot between 700 and 1000 that is just right and it doesn't seem to matter whether it's on the factory stand or on my bench. When on the stand, it is still sitting on a foam pad floor covering. None of my 3 saws vibrate uncontrollably. If they did, they'd belong to someone else. I am going to have to sell one of my Ex's and it will probably be the 16 inch just because I need the space. No other reason. I love them all.

 

I totally understand every aspect that you mentioned, 

 

[Hawk]

Definitely got to find something, preferably a Delta of some kind with features similar to my P-20. I'm not sure I could talk the wife into something like an Ex or Hegner..

The search commences..

Chris

[OCtoolguy]

15 hours ago, Hawk said:

Definitely got to find something, preferably a Delta of some kind with features similar to my P-20. I'm not sure I could talk the wife into something like an Ex or Hegner..

The search commences..

Chris

I'd never buy a new one of those either but with all the used saws out there you don't have to. I just bought a used 18" Hegner for $230 and spent another $135 fixing it up and adding a QuickClamp. I've now got a $1500 saw for under $400. Just be patient and shop around.

[Dave Monk]

On 7/12/2021 at 12:17 PM, octoolguy said:

I was a full time RVer and understand your question. After owning 5 different brands/types of saws, were I to go back on the road my saw would be a Hegner. I'd probably try to find a used 14" saw just because of it's overall size/weight. Being in an RV I'd probably not be doing large projects so the capacity would not be a problem. But if you wanted more table/neck capacity then the 18" would be the next choice. I presently own an Ex16, Ex21 and the Hegner 18". Weight-wise the Ex21 is the heaviest. The Ex16 second and the Hegner 3rd. It's overall size is also the smallest. I'd not use the factory stand. I'd mount it to a platform and clamp it to a picnic table or some other heavy table. Not something I'd carry with me. You'd figure out a way. When I was on the road I took up woodcarving so my hobby took up no space and weighed nothing. Good luck in your travels. Your biggest problem will be the fact that it has become very crowded out there now. With the onset of the covid hoax housebound people all decided to go RVing. We just came back from a long trip and the frustrations of finding a place to park and fighting off the obnoxious new RVers made the trip miserable. We are selling our rig. No more for us.

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Dave Monk

[Hawk]

been looking for a little over a week now. This is going to take longer than I thought. So many people trying to sell scroll saws that are junk for a premium price. I looking for something in a 16" model, enough to keep me busy and I can save the harder stuff for the P-20.

Chris

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, Hawk said:

been looking for a little over a week now. This is going to take longer than I thought. So many people trying to sell scroll saws that are junk for a premium price. I looking for something in a 16" model, enough to keep me busy and I can save the harder stuff for the P-20.

Chris

There are a ton of great saws near me right now. 2 Hegners in the right price range. One of them has all the things that make the saw great and she just lowered the price to $300. I actually wrote to her and advised her that she was pricing it too low and should hang in for a while at her original price. There is one just like it on Marketplace for $700 so at $500 she was a very great price.

 

[kmmcrafts]

1 hour ago, Hawk said:

been looking for a little over a week now. This is going to take longer than I thought. So many people trying to sell scroll saws that are junk for a premium price. I looking for something in a 16" model, enough to keep me busy and I can save the harder stuff for the P-20.

Chris

This is a nice saw I posted a while back in the deals section here.. I'm thinking Kalamazoo is quite a drive from Beaverton.. But you never know... maybe they know someone up your way and you could meet up somewhere.  I honestly can't believe it's not sold yet.. Kalamazoo is only about 30 minutes from me and I've thought about this saw on and off.. Heck you might be able to offer 250-275.. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/324979182428428/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A0d54ec59-550f-4eb9-bb44-1d5a0769e3c9

I have a old 16" Delta that you could have.. It'd need cleaning up and some minor fixes.. I doubt you'd really want it though.. it is a late 80's two speed model 40-560 type 2. Has the upper quickset ll blade clamp but it is the first style they came out with so it doesn't have the nice little thumb screw to adjust the chuck for different sized blades.. and the lower blade holder had to use that goofy special wrench to line of the clamp correctly. Ran good years ago.. I put some new bearings and bushings in it but it has sat in the shed and the table top got rusty as I didn't keep up on keeping it waxed / oiled.

Edited July 22, 2021 by kmmcrafts

[kmmcrafts]

18 minutes ago, octoolguy said:

There are a ton of great saws near me right now. 2 Hegners in the right price range. One of them has all the things that make the saw great and she just lowered the price to $300. I actually wrote to her and advised her that she was pricing it too low and should hang in for a while at her original price. There is one just like it on Marketplace for $700 so at $500 she was a very great price.

 

For buying stuff you live in a great area, well unless you want mineral spirits or some other thing that isn't allowed in your county, LOL.. as for used saws here in Michigan, especially in northern Michigan where he is.. There isn't ever much out there for quality saws.. at least right now.. about 4-5 years ago there was a lot of Hawks and Hegners out there and at good prices. Like I said, I gave $100 for my first Hawk and $400 for one that was still in the original boxes with a bunch of books with both saws both came with mag lights and foot switches too.. many blades as well but I'm not into those big blades with only a couple big teeth on them, LOL

[OCtoolguy]

57 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said:

For buying stuff you live in a great area, well unless you want mineral spirits or some other thing that isn't allowed in your county, LOL.. as for used saws here in Michigan, especially in northern Michigan where he is.. There isn't ever much out there for quality saws.. at least right now.. about 4-5 years ago there was a lot of Hawks and Hegners out there and at good prices. Like I said, I gave $100 for my first Hawk and $400 for one that was still in the original boxes with a bunch of books with both saws both came with mag lights and foot switches too.. many blades as well but I'm not into those big blades with only a couple big teeth on them, LOL

Yes, it would be nice if everything didn't have a prop. 65 warning on it. Sanity will return at sone point. Praying for the recall to be successful. As for saws, or anything else for that matter, when you have 30 plus million people all crowded together you're bound to find whatever you want. Except mineral spirits.

[Hawk]

21 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

This is a nice saw I posted a while back in the deals section here.. I'm thinking Kalamazoo is quite a drive from Beaverton.. But you never know... maybe they know someone up your way and you could meet up somewhere.  I honestly can't believe it's not sold yet.. Kalamazoo is only about 30 minutes from me and I've thought about this saw on and off.. Heck you might be able to offer 250-275.. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/324979182428428/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A0d54ec59-550f-4eb9-bb44-1d5a0769e3c9

I have a old 16" Delta that you could have.. It'd need cleaning up and some minor fixes.. I doubt you'd really want it though.. it is a late 80's two speed model 40-560 type 2. Has the upper quickset ll blade clamp but it is the first style they came out with so it doesn't have the nice little thumb screw to adjust the chuck for different sized blades.. and the lower blade holder had to use that goofy special wrench to line of the clamp correctly. Ran good years ago.. I put some new bearings and bushings in it but it has sat in the shed and the table top got rusty as I didn't keep up on keeping it waxed / oiled.

Thanks for the offer on the saw, but I'll pass on it. I'm really in no hurry to get one as I wont be taking it "on the road" until next camping season, so I have time. Around labor day there are tons of yard sales in this area, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to find something then, but I'll keep my eyes open for deals on craigs list and other sites around my part of Michigan.

Chris

[LarryEA]

There is the lightest weight saw, A hand fretsaw.

WE have had (have?) members that did as good with a hand fretsaw as any elect powered one.

Got a learning curve is the drawback

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, LarryEA said:

There is the lightest weight saw, A hand fretsaw.

WE have had (have?) members that did as good with a hand fretsaw as any elect powered one.

Got a learning curve is the drawback

That might be just what I need. I've never been able to cut a straight line with any kind of saw.

[Scrollmate57]

On 7/11/2021 at 6:32 PM, Hawk said:

My wife and I are doing a lot more RVing as we get closer to my retirement.  As I don't see me hauling my Delta P-20 with me on the road, I was wondering,  is there a saw out there that's preforms as well as my Delta but is half the weight?

Chris

You said it!  My Hawk is light but stable@

[new2woodwrk]

Hey @Hawk

I know this is an old post, but did you ever figure this out?

My wife and i are considering something similar but a bit more involved and are starting to gather information.