What’s It Worth?

[kmmcrafts]

I’m thinking about selling my old 1993 Hawk 220VS. This saw I gave $100 about 5-6 years ago. I did add needed parts $50 for upgraded front tension cam with the new style BM series front nose and blade holder. In un-needed parts included upgraded to the flexible air blower line kit $20 and also since the saw only had one lower blade holder barrel I bought 2 more so additional $40. Used the saw for a couple years until I found the 226 Ultra. Used it all last summer to give the other saws a break and at one point started making some squeak sounds that turned out to be the sealed bearings in the arm that connects the lower arm to the motor so another $12 in parts. I’ve put a total of about 400 hours on the saw. Runs great but is the older saw that has the problematic motor but I’ve never had any issues with the motor. The saw is a 1993. The saw does have a weird blade angle where the blade doesn’t go completely strait up/down but once you touch the wood it cuts strait, made about 200 puzzles with it last summer and every puzzle piece is square and go in both from the top and bottom so it’s cutting square. 
 

What is a good price to start out with? I don’t need to sell but also don’t need the saw. The upgraded tension system would work on either of my other two saws but taking this part off make the saw unusable and more of a parts saw in which not much else would work on the other saws. 

[lawson56]

With all you put into it, and it is still running great I myself would ask at least $200 If I lived in Mich, close to ya, I would shell out $200 real quick for that saw. But I,m in Tn. Yea $200 at least. Beautiful saw.

[kmmcrafts]

Yeah, that’s kinda my thinking. These old Hawks in my area are on Craig’s List for 300+ But in my mind I wouldn’t pay that much for as old and the known problematic motor these have. The issue for me is I do know it’s a good saw “right now “ but moving it and jarring it around to the next home anything could go wrong. It’s old . Was used hard by the original owner and well worn when I got it. I took a chance on it at $100 . Then I got 2-3 years of use out of it. It doesn’t owe me anything but at the same time it’s a dam good saw and I don’t want to just give it away for a $100  either. But would really feel bad if someone paid a couple hundred and all of a sudden had issues with the motor or controllers that these old saws are known for. This would be a $400 ish saw if it had the better motor. The motor issues is what holds me back from even selling it. I just keep using it for the last couple years even though I’ve said I was going to sell it 3 years ago when I got the brand new Hawk. 

[OCtoolguy]

15 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

I’m thinking about selling my old 1993 Hawk 220VS. This saw I gave $100 about 5-6 years ago. I did add needed parts $50 for upgraded front tension cam with the new style BM series front nose and blade holder. In un-needed parts included upgraded to the flexible air blower line kit $20 and also since the saw only had one lower blade holder barrel I bought 2 more so additional $40. Used the saw for a couple years until I found the 226 Ultra. Used it all last summer to give the other saws a break and at one point started making some squeak sounds that turned out to be the sealed bearings in the arm that connects the lower arm to the motor so another $12 in parts. I’ve put a total of about 400 hours on the saw. Runs great but is the older saw that has the problematic motor but I’ve never had any issues with the motor. The saw is a 1993. The saw does have a weird blade angle where the blade doesn’t go completely strait up/down but once you touch the wood it cuts strait, made about 200 puzzles with it last summer and every puzzle piece is square and go in both from the top and bottom so it’s cutting square. 
 

What is a good price to start out with? I don’t need to sell but also don’t need the saw. The upgraded tension system would work on either of my other two saws but taking this part off make the saw unusable and more of a parts saw in which not much else would work on the other saws. 

Kevin, I realize your location is far different from where I live but here, you'd have no problem getting $500 for your saw. So start there and adjust accordingly.

 

[OCtoolguy]

5 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

Yeah, that’s kinda my thinking. These old Hawks in my area are on Craig’s List for 300+ But in my mind I wouldn’t pay that much for as old and the known problematic motor these have. The issue for me is I do know it’s a good saw “right now “ but moving it and jarring it around to the next home anything could go wrong. It’s old . Was used hard by the original owner and well worn when I got it. I took a chance on it at $100 . Then I got 2-3 years of use out of it. It doesn’t owe me anything but at the same time it’s a dam good saw and I don’t want to just give it away for a $100  either. But would really feel bad if someone paid a couple hundred and all of a sudden had issues with the motor or controllers that these old saws are known for. This would be a $400 ish saw if it had the better motor. The motor issues is what holds me back from even selling it. I just keep using it for the last couple years even though I’ve said I was going to sell it 3 years ago when I got the brand new Hawk. 

You could do something crazy and offer a warranty plan with it. Whatever price they agree on, tell them that for X dollars, you'll give them a warranty on the ??? parts of the saw. If you have to do a buy back, well so be it.

 

[kmmcrafts]

17 hours ago, octoolguy said:

Kevin, I realize your location is far different from where I live but here, you'd have no problem getting $500 for your saw. So start there and adjust accordingly.

 

I think I might actually do that, simply put.. I don't "need" to sell it.. IF someone is willing to spend that on a old saw then great for me.. I just hope no issues arise with the saw as I want the purchaser be happy with their purchase.. Well.. as far as functionality of the saw. If they don't like it because of their own preference's that's on them.. I just want it to be a trouble free experience for them. I've run enough hours to know it's trouble free for me at least. They bring $300 - 500 ish for the same vintage and even older single speed ones in my area.. Just not what I'd be paying myself.. and knowing I only have $200 ish in this one and got 3 years or so on heavy use from it, it doesn't owe me anything. I'd be very happy with $300 from it.. at $200 I'd probably just keep it.. and think hard about it at $250.. I mainly posted this to see if others thought my expectation of around $300 for the older saw with the known motor issues from these older motors was too high of a price expectation.. I think I'll probably start the price at either $400 or 450 and that gives room for those that like to make offers.. My idea is to sell two saws and buy another, LOL.. I'm looking at trying either a Hegner, Jet, or Pegas.. I don't "need" to.. I just want to, LOL I like tools.. If I can't sell the saws at my expected price then I still have my same old quality saws and won't try those others.. but if I can then I'll experiment with a different brand. 

[WayneMahler]

A little food for thought. Ask more then you actually want. Then let them bargain it down to your true price. They feel the made a good deal an you get what you wanted. Kind of a win/win situation. Like I said just some food for thought..

[Puzzleguy]

not sure -with the newer faster machines like Pegas

their value has dropped a bit - their not a fast cutting machine

and their is alot of them on the market , have seen them listed for around 300

but they don't sell very fast , so that would be a pristine one . think the older one i had

went for around 200 ( what i paid for it - But I didnt bond with it )

 

woodworking machines are difficult to value , they go for practically nothing

Ive seen good tablesaws go for like 50 bucks - and ive practically given away

a few machines -

Im looking at reducing the size of my shop - when you have multiple machines

typically one has to go -which is life ( i have a couple of scrollsaws , bandsaw , face sander etc-

that will need new homes in the near future - Ill probably use facebook market place )

 

 

Edited August 1, 2021 by Puzzleguy

[kmmcrafts]

58 minutes ago, Puzzleguy said:

not sure -with the newer faster machines like Pegas

their value has dropped a bit - their not a fast cutting machine

and their is alot of them on the market , have seen them listed for around 300

but they don't sell very fast , so that would be a pristine one . think the older one i had

went for around 200 ( what i paid for it - But I didnt bond with it )

 

woodworking machines are difficult to value , they go for practically nothing

Ive seen good tablesaws go for like 50 bucks - and ive practically given away

a few machines -

Im looking at reducing the size of my shop - when you have multiple machines

typically one has to go -which is life ( i have a couple of scrollsaws , bandsaw , face sander etc-

that will need new homes in the near future - Ill probably use facebook market place )

 

 

I tend to agree with you, some of the saws I see on CL and FB are on there for a month or more.. I found a Henger a few weeks ago for $400.. it's now been listed over a month.. I posted it here and several folks said if it works good it's well worth the $400 but ask for a lower price. I know what you mean about the newer faster cutting saws too.. which is why I have kept my Excalibur around.. I like using the Hawk more for thin wood cutting but it's also more relaxing to sit at for me than the EX too. I expect the Hegner will probably cut on the slower side much like the Hawk.. kinda the same design with the longer arms etc.. I will say the new BM26 with the adjustable blade aggression cuts pretty close to the same speed as the EX does but not these older Hawks I have. If I go with a Hegner then I'm selling the 226 hawk Ultra and keeping the BM26 and Excalubur.. If I go with a Jet or Pegas then I'm keeping the BM26 and the 226 ultra and will sell the old Hawk and the Excalibur. LOL

I like the three legged stand of the Hegners.. I think it'd fit nicely in the one corner of my shop..  I may put up three saws for sale and whatever sells will help make my decision on what I'll be buying, LOL. I really only need a good saw and a back-up saw.. somehow I ended up with 5 saws.. LOL.. 

[SCROLLERNATION]

On 7/31/2021 at 12:06 AM, kmmcrafts said:

I’m thinking about selling my old 1993 Hawk 220VS. This saw I gave $100 about 5-6 years ago. I did add needed parts $50 for upgraded front tension cam with the new style BM series front nose and blade holder. In un-needed parts included upgraded to the flexible air blower line kit $20 and also since the saw only had one lower blade holder barrel I bought 2 more so additional $40. Used the saw for a couple years until I found the 226 Ultra. Used it all last summer to give the other saws a break and at one point started making some squeak sounds that turned out to be the sealed bearings in the arm that connects the lower arm to the motor so another $12 in parts. I’ve put a total of about 400 hours on the saw. Runs great but is the older saw that has the problematic motor but I’ve never had any issues with the motor. The saw is a 1993. The saw does have a weird blade angle where the blade doesn’t go completely strait up/down but once you touch the wood it cuts strait, made about 200 puzzles with it last summer and every puzzle piece is square and go in both from the top and bottom so it’s cutting square. 
 

What is a good price to start out with? I don’t need to sell but also don’t need the saw. The upgraded tension system would work on either of my other two saws but taking this part off make the saw unusable and more of a parts saw in which not much else would work on the other saws. 

Because it has that ac fasco on it maybe $400. If had a DC motor on it given the shape its in and the extra stuff you have $900. I have a fasco on another belt driven saw and its awesome.  It gets hot but its awesome. AC motors don’t like induced drag imposed on them woth rheostats etc. I think you should keep it and swap the motor and controller if you can. Plus the capacitor for that motor if you ever need it is super easy to swap and can be found at ps wood for a great price.  I think the misconception out there is that those saws with that motor start jumping around because of the motor controller etc.  I think its because of the capacitor going out causing a fluctuation in current and voltage.   Its a good saw and can always be your backup.  Keep it man.  You will be goad you did.  

[SCROLLERNATION]

On 7/31/2021 at 12:06 AM, kmmcrafts said:

I’m thinking about selling my old 1993 Hawk 220VS. This saw I gave $100 about 5-6 years ago. I did add needed parts $50 for upgraded front tension cam with the new style BM series front nose and blade holder. In un-needed parts included upgraded to the flexible air blower line kit $20 and also since the saw only had one lower blade holder barrel I bought 2 more so additional $40. Used the saw for a couple years until I found the 226 Ultra. Used it all last summer to give the other saws a break and at one point started making some squeak sounds that turned out to be the sealed bearings in the arm that connects the lower arm to the motor so another $12 in parts. I’ve put a total of about 400 hours on the saw. Runs great but is the older saw that has the problematic motor but I’ve never had any issues with the motor. The saw is a 1993. The saw does have a weird blade angle where the blade doesn’t go completely strait up/down but once you touch the wood it cuts strait, made about 200 puzzles with it last summer and every puzzle piece is square and go in both from the top and bottom so it’s cutting square. 
 

What is a good price to start out with? I don’t need to sell but also don’t need the saw. The upgraded tension system would work on either of my other two saws but taking this part off make the saw unusable and more of a parts saw in which not much else would work on the other saws. 

Part #41 for the Fasco motor problems.  You'll know when it goes out the acid will burn your sniffer.  https://www.pswood.com/all-21-parts/

[Woodmaster1]

Too bad I don't need a scroll saw or I would be interested since your only 80 miles to the north. I have to save my pennies for the upcoming Wood Expo at Johnson's Workbench next month.