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[kmmcrafts]

I sometimes get snipe with my cheap Ryobi.. If I do get it it's not "bad" to the point I have to chop it off and throw the ends out. I usually sand my work down to 320 grit before cutting anyway so the sanding that I do normally takes care of any of the minimal snipe I get. My manual says not to run anything shorter than 14".. so I've never really tried anything shorter than that, LOL. 

I'll probably end up buying the DW planer when my Ryobi bites the dust. Could be soon too, last couple times I've used it it has like bogged down and fluctuated the speed while running ( without a board being fed in it ). I'm going to pull the motor brushes and check them out... I'd like a excuse to get a new one.. but I'm cursed with knowing how to repair things and I'm not a person to sell things or throw things out that are repairable, LOL.. Biggest thing I hate with selling in person is the people drive me nuts saying their coming at X time and then no show.. I hate that for some reason.. the tire kickers.. I used to love wheeling and dealing but over the years I'm not sure if people do not give respect in saying they're going to be late or not coming etc..  

[dgman]

2 hours ago, Scrappile said:

I guess I was lucky, or the Delta I received was really tuned in... In all the time I owned it,,, I only got snipe a couple times, and that was trying to plane a short piece of wood.. I have read about it from a lot of people with planers... but I did not  experience it to any extent... I will be anxious to see on my DeWalt 734.. although in my current mode of wood working I doubt if it ever gets t the use my Delta did.  I would love to experience a 735 with a spiral head on it to see it it is worth so much money,, I have always been satisfied with the finish I received from the Delta... The few boards I have put through the DeWalt 734 with straight blades have been even better... WIth a spiral ,,, wow,, must be ready to finish right off the machine. 

The 735 has two feed speeds. The faster speed is for rough planing. When you are close the the thickness you want, you flip it over to the slow speed. This leaves a very smooth finish, about 150 grit sand paper. On some woods, I don’t even have to finish sand! I don’t see any reason for a spiral head. I’ll say it again, I love my 735!

[Scrappile]

54 minutes ago, dgman said:

The 735 has two feed speeds. The faster speed is for rough planing. When you are close the the thickness you want, you flip it over to the slow speed. This leaves a very smooth finish, about 150 grit sand paper. On some woods, I don’t even have to finish sand! I don’t see any reason for a spiral head. I’ll say it again, I love my 735!

Yep, my Delta had two also,,, off hand I do not remember about the 734... I think it might... I know the few boards I have run through it were near finish material when I finished..  I just feel, and my opinion only,, that  for hobby work like I do... I do not need the most expensive... and the finish I get is as good as any lumber I would buy at a lumber store...maybe better than some.

[Rolf]

I have the Dewalt 735.  since 2009 (I think) absolutely love it You really need to have dust collection connected to any of them. The Dewalt has a very powerful built in blower so it just needs a hose connected to it that goes into some form of containment.  Mine is connected to my central DC system.  I had the hose pop off in the middle of a cut once OMG what a mess!  

[Bill WIlson]

11 hours ago, Scrappile said:

Yep, my Delta had two also,,, off hand I do not remember about the 734... I think it might... I know the few boards I have run through it were near finish material when I finished..  I just feel, and my opinion only,, that  for hobby work like I do... I do not need the most expensive... and the finish I get is as good as any lumber I would buy at a lumber store...maybe better than some.

The 734 is single speed.  It has a 3 blade cutter head, but is only single speed.  Still gives a nice smooth surface.  I replaced a Delta with the 734 about 5 years ago.  The Delta had been a great planer for me for a long time, but I had the opportunity to upgrade, so I got the 734.

[kmmcrafts]

14 hours ago, Scrappile said:

Yep, my Delta had two also,,, off hand I do not remember about the 734... I think it might... I know the few boards I have run through it were near finish material when I finished..  I just feel, and my opinion only,, that  for hobby work like I do... I do not need the most expensive... and the finish I get is as good as any lumber I would buy at a lumber store...maybe better than some.

The Helical head planers use less power ( Those who run the country should give tax credits for buying these as they are more energy efficient LOL ) run ALOT quieter, create a very nice surface with less chip out and snipe. Both my wife and my youngest son work here from home and I get complaints from noise from them when running my planer. LOL So the additional cost is worth it to me personally since they both help me pay bills LOL, I understand it's not for everyone. I personally use a planer about 3 times a week.. Usually only long enough to run one board through to get it down to around 5/8 - 3/4 from a 7/8 board.. 

Using the logic that for a hobby worker you don't need the top of the line machine kinda backwards when you have a Hegner when a old Delta would do the same thing though ain't it?   Just messing with you,  everyone has their high end tool and their cheap tool priorities at a different level from one another.. but your statement above made me snicker a bit. 

[Scrappile]

42 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said:

The Helical head planers use less power ( Those who run the country should give tax credits for buying these as they are more energy efficient LOL ) run ALOT quieter, create a very nice surface with less chip out and snipe. Both my wife and my youngest son work here from home and I get complaints from noise from them when running my planer. LOL So the additional cost is worth it to me personally since they both help me pay bills LOL, I understand it's not for everyone. I personally use a planer about 3 times a week.. Usually only long enough to run one board through to get it down to around 5/8 - 3/4 from a 7/8 board.. 

Using the logic that for a hobby worker you don't need the top of the line machine kinda backwards when you have a Hegner when a old Delta would do the same thing though ain't it?   Just messing with you,  everyone has their high end tool and their cheap tool priorities at a different level from one another.. but your statement above made me snicker a bit. 

Ouch!!  Got me!!

[Rolf]

It is nice that we can have different opinions about tools and still smile about it.  I am fortunate to be in a position to be able to buy the tools that I want, and I have replaced many tools that worked great but could have been better. I am however restricted by space.  I use a lot of thin wood (1/8) a bit tricky on the planer. I now have a drum sander and re-saw my thin wood, much safer. 

I have considered switching to helical cutters on my planer and jointer. It seems no matter how careful I am I get a nick in a new set of blades very quickly. Fortunately the blade change in the 735 is very easy. 

I have not used a planer with helical cutters so have no first hand knowledge. 

 

[OCtoolguy]

On 10/5/2021 at 9:56 AM, kmmcrafts said:

The Helical head planers use less power ( Those who run the country should give tax credits for buying these as they are more energy efficient LOL ) run ALOT quieter, create a very nice surface with less chip out and snipe. Both my wife and my youngest son work here from home and I get complaints from noise from them when running my planer. LOL So the additional cost is worth it to me personally since they both help me pay bills LOL, I understand it's not for everyone. I personally use a planer about 3 times a week.. Usually only long enough to run one board through to get it down to around 5/8 - 3/4 from a 7/8 board.. 

Using the logic that for a hobby worker you don't need the top of the line machine kinda backwards when you have a Hegner when a old Delta would do the same thing though ain't it?   Just messing with you,  everyone has their high end tool and their cheap tool priorities at a different level from one another.. but your statement above made me snicker a bit. 

Kevin, I love high end tools but I hate high end prices. So I have high end scroll saws at a fraction of the retail cost.

 

[kmmcrafts]

43 minutes ago, OCtoolguy said:

Kevin, I love high end tools but I hate high end prices. So I have high end scroll saws at a fraction of the retail cost.

 

You're in a great area to be able to do that.. Most my woodworking stuff was used OR refurbished.. I wanted a BM series Hawk for a long time.. waited 3 years for a used one to show up.. didn't happen and I was in a position to need to make some money disappear or pay higher taxes so I bought new.. The CNC, BM series Hawk, and Grizzly Bandsaw are the only new things I've bought.. Rest was used and refurb. Looking on craigslist and FB for your area though.. I could have bought more than the entire shop + if I lived in your area.. But I'll keep my cost of living in my area and the country any day over a city type living. You can have all the good deals, I'll suffer having to buy what I want new if needed, LOL

Come think of it.. the two other Hawks, EX-21, drill press, chop saw, jointer, and planer all add up to about the same price I paid for the one Hawk, LOL 

[OCtoolguy]

1 hour ago, kmmcrafts said:

You're in a great area to be able to do that.. Most my woodworking stuff was used OR refurbished.. I wanted a BM series Hawk for a long time.. waited 3 years for a used one to show up.. didn't happen and I was in a position to need to make some money disappear or pay higher taxes so I bought new.. The CNC, BM series Hawk, and Grizzly Bandsaw are the only new things I've bought.. Rest was used and refurb. Looking on craigslist and FB for your area though.. I could have bought more than the entire shop + if I lived in your area.. But I'll keep my cost of living in my area and the country any day over a city type living. You can have all the good deals, I'll suffer having to buy what I want new if needed, LOL

Come think of it.. the two other Hawks, EX-21, drill press, chop saw, jointer, and planer all add up to about the same price I paid for the one Hawk, LOL 

Kevin, those were business related and you can write them of as expenses. A 5 year planned write off. I did the same with my tool trucks. If I were in the business as you are I'd do the same thing. My son just bought a new tool truck and has it on a 7 year write off. Depreciate is the word I was trying to think of. 

Edited October 7, 2021 by OCtoolguy

[WolfmoonCT]

I just got my DW735, and not a big fan of it. I'm getting a LOT of snipe with it.  I leveled the wings using a straight edge at each side.. only to find that the middle of both tables is about 1/16" below the plate of the planer. so if I set the edges to be level, then I have a bump feeding in, and no support feeding out unless the wood  has hit the back edge of the outfeed table..  kinda worthless when doing stuff shorter than say 16".. I'm going to be calling Dewalt today to see if they will replace the wings, since they are brand new, less than a week old.

[Rolf]

2 hours ago, WolfmoonCT said:

I just got my DW735, and not a big fan of it. I'm getting a LOT of snipe with it.  I leveled the wings using a straight edge at each side.. only to find that the middle of both tables is about 1/16" below the plate of the planer. so if I set the edges to be level, then I have a bump feeding in, and no support feeding out unless the wood  has hit the back edge of the outfeed table..  kinda worthless when doing stuff shorter than say 16".. I'm going to be calling Dewalt today to see if they will replace the wings, since they are brand new, less than a week old.

I have never had an issue with snipe on my 735. 

[WolfmoonCT]

Here is the gap on the wings. I used a straight edge to level the sides. A 6ft level will touch all the wsy across on both edges, but with the gaps everything dips in the middle.  So with the sides level, I get that dip. If I want the middle level, I will be high on both sides..  Dewalt is sending new wings.  Hopefully the new ones are flat.  If not, maybe a little hammering on a dead flat table can flatten them..  but when you buy something, you shouldn't have to.

Edited October 7, 2021 by WolfmoonCT
added pics

[Rolf]

21 hours ago, WolfmoonCT said:

Here is the gap on the wings. I used a straight edge to level the sides. A 6ft level will touch all the wsy across on both edges, but with the gaps everything dips in the middle.  So with the sides level, I get that dip. If I want the middle level, I will be high on both sides..  Dewalt is sending new wings.  Hopefully the new ones are flat.  If not, maybe a little hammering on a dead flat table can flatten them..  but when you buy something, you shouldn't have to.

That is not good, I will have a look at mine and see if they are flat. Do not hammer them. If you must, support the outside edges and use a press to sneak up on the flatness. That would be a bit more controlled. Did you measure the Gap? (Feeler gauges)

[WolfmoonCT]

9 hours ago, Rolf said:

That is not good, I will have a look at mine and see if they are flat. Do not hammer them. If you must, support the outside edges and use a press to sneak up on the flatness. That would be a bit more controlled. Did you measure the Gap? (Feeler gauges)

I did not measure them with a gauge, but they are about 1/16" on the biggest one.

[Rolf]

1/16 is a lot!

 

[Joe W.]

I realize this is an old post, but I have been researching woodworking equipment lately, in anticipation of relocating most of the stuff in our garage to a new shed we are getting.

Anyway, I came across this video and thought I'd share it for others who may be interested. 

[kmmcrafts]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. said:

I realize this is an old post, but I have been researching woodworking equipment lately, in anticipation of relocating most of the stuff in our garage to a new shed we are getting.

Anyway, I came across this video and thought I'd share it for others who may be interested. 

Thanks for posting this, I haven't watched it yet but I finally just yesterday run the first board through my new DeWalt planer and it snipes worst than the old cheapy one I had. Makes nice clean job other than the ends.. I knew there was ways to adjust but haven't got into researching yet.. 

[OCtoolguy]

7 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

Thanks for posting this, I haven't watched it yet but I finally just yesterday run the first board through my new DeWalt planer and it snipes worst than the old cheapy one I had. Makes nice clean job other than the ends.. I knew there was ways to adjust but haven't got into researching yet.. 

Make a planer bed our of melamine. There are videos on how to make one. You need more support than what the planers give you.

[kmmcrafts]

6 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

Make a planer bed our of melamine. There are videos on how to make one. You need more support than what the planers give you.

Thanks Ray, I think it's more of an adjustment as I'm only running 4ft boards through it and I have the extended infeed and outfeed tables on the planer, My old Ryobi had no tables whatsoever and if it did snipe it wasn't bad and it usually only did it on 6ft + boards.. I normally cut down my longer boards because it's easier to do that than move my big heavy bandsaw that's in the way of the outfeed end for long boards. One of those temporary shop layouts that I did 10 years ago and still haven't rearranged things so they all can work well together and for me .  

[OCtoolguy]

4 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

Thanks Ray, I think it's more of an adjustment as I'm only running 4ft boards through it and I have the extended infeed and outfeed tables on the planer, My old Ryobi had no tables whatsoever and if it did snipe it wasn't bad and it usually only did it on 6ft + boards.. I normally cut down my longer boards because it's easier to do that than move my big heavy bandsaw that's in the way of the outfeed end for long boards. One of those temporary shop layouts that I did 10 years ago and still haven't rearranged things so they all can work well together and for me .  

Short boards usually snipe more than long ones.

[kmmcrafts]

38 minutes ago, OCtoolguy said:

Short boards usually snipe more than long ones.

Hmm, didn't know that. Has not been my experience with my old planer and that was why I went with a little extra cash for the extended infeed / outfeed tables so it'd help support the lumber better.. I'm more of a scroll sawer than a person that works with larger projects/tools like the table saws and planers etc.. so my experience with the larger tools is limited. So far I love my new table saw.. even though I have not went through the tuning process yet.. it's much better and powerful than the old one.. I know everyone likes the DeWalt planers so I'm sure I just need to dial it in and I need to take the time to tune both the planer and table saw.. I did adjust those extended tables on the planer and it's much less snipe.. but it's still more than that of my old planer.

[Bill WIlson]

Typically with long boards, you want to lift up the trailing end of the board as the leading end enters the planer and then lift up the leading end, as the trailing end is passing through.  This helps prevent the ends from lifting up while in between the rollers, causing snipe.  This is a little harder to do with short boards, which may be why Ray's observation differs from yours.

With properly set up infeed and outfeed extensions, you can accomplish the same thing.  The ends of the extensions should be slightly higher than the bed of the planer.

[Joe W.]

On 5/26/2022 at 1:30 PM, kmmcrafts said:

I did adjust those extended tables on the planer and it's much less snipe.. but it's still more than that of my old planer.

Saw this and thought of you . . .