OCtoolguy Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 I have been watching a ton of videos done by a Japanes craftsman and he has a lot of U.S. made tools even though he is in Japan. He pulled this little square out the other day and used it for marking drill holes in a 2 x 4 and I decided that I need one. I've tried every description and name I can think of and even gone on a couple of the Chinese supply sites but still nothing. I'm hoping someone here has one or at least knows what I'm talking about. crupiea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preprius Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 I don't do this often. But you can drag a picture into google search bar (chose find picture icon first). This came up. . . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254033039303?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAAkGV1FO7arze3990TT2RVpzN9S%2BDxBKsnswfE%2B6GbDdItiq3trQR3AC4IRiJ%2Bm20DRC48%2FfCGiNM1Y%2Fzvb4EMjYEoM%2B%2FOouu1LMLaQXoX43E9z%2FrycV0FaQlPDdynH2VqNbA7Ky9JEEiTnCpgytV7Z%2BVJATNNnGALnK%2Fs2pK6vQcJN%2BzvhNXvDkyz%2BPCO9Zyp4w%3D%3D OCtoolguy, John B and don watson 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don watson Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Thanks a million for that tip. Don OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 That is an expensive piece of plastic. Jim McDonald and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAIrving Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 It looks interesting. What does one do with it? Why do we need it? barb.j.enders and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyL Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Amazon has them in the USA, but it will cost more than Ebay. amazon.com/12022-Rakuda-2-by-4-Square-Ruler/dp/B001Y51VUI/ref=sr_1_42?crid=173HCDFM7CBR2&keywords=rakuda+square&qid=1643739385&sprefix=rakuda+square%2Caps%2C117&sr=8-42 I used to get things like this from Japanwoodworker.com, but they are now closed. I believe that Woodcraft is in the process of buying them. Not sure how well this is going. Charley OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 16 hours ago, preprius said: I don't do this often. But you can drag a picture into google search bar (chose find picture icon first). This came up. . . https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254033039303?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAAkGV1FO7arze3990TT2RVpzN9S%2BDxBKsnswfE%2B6GbDdItiq3trQR3AC4IRiJ%2Bm20DRC48%2FfCGiNM1Y%2Fzvb4EMjYEoM%2B%2FOouu1LMLaQXoX43E9z%2FrycV0FaQlPDdynH2VqNbA7Ky9JEEiTnCpgytV7Z%2BVJATNNnGALnK%2Fs2pK6vQcJN%2BzvhNXvDkyz%2BPCO9Zyp4w%3D%3D I tried the image search but got nothing. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 Seems like an easy thing to make if you got a Laser cutter, CNC, or 3D printer, LOL.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 I make a lot of things using just 2 x 4's and to have this it would speed up marking and measuring. I thought it looked handy for what I do. I might just fab one out of some tin stock or something but for $12, it might just be easier to buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, OCtoolguy said: I make a lot of things using just 2 x 4's and to have this it would speed up marking and measuring. I thought it looked handy for what I do. I might just fab one out of some tin stock or something but for $12, it might just be easier to buy it. I think $12 isn't too bad really... the issue is the shipping cost for the one on eBay anyway.. At least for me I think it said shipping was $19.. but maybe I mis-read it.. For me the Amazon one is cheaper which is unusual as normally eBay is cheaper than Amazon.. I don't have prime but it does say free shipping for orders over $25 so find something else you need, LOL OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Blume Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) I have one, but it was a gift from a friend who is a cabinet maker. He thought it would be good for making repetitive marks as he worked but then refused to convert his measurements to metric, so he uses a square which has holes in it at various points. Marked in inches is a big plus he says. LOL. . It is unique and it was a gift, so it hangs out in a drawer in one of my roll-a-rounds, which is full of all sorts of other cool but seldom if ever used items. I also have one of these and use it all the time. INCRA Precision T-Rules | Rockler Woodworking and Hardware Edited February 1, 2022 by Jim Blume OCtoolguy and Dan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 1, 2022 Report Share Posted February 1, 2022 I'm sure if you keep searching the title from these listings you'll find something cheaper.. I found this by doing so.. different brand I think and maybe different but maybe you can work with it for the price? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fiskars-4-1-2-Square-Acrylic-Ruler-4-5-by-4-5-Inch-1-Each/19216413 OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 7 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: I'm sure if you keep searching the title from these listings you'll find something cheaper.. I found this by doing so.. different brand I think and maybe different but maybe you can work with it for the price? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fiskars-4-1-2-Square-Acrylic-Ruler-4-5-by-4-5-Inch-1-Each/19216413 No, it has to have that fold so it wraps around the 2x. And the hole patterns for quick marking drill holes. I won't be buying the one on ebay for sure and probably won't buy the one on Amazon either. Worst case, I make my own. It just looked like something handy. The Incra looks neat too but those tiny holes so close together make my eyes hurt. Oh well, it was just a thought. At my age I should stop buying stuff I don't need. I lost another friend last week who I knew since 3rd grade. The reaper is getting too close. Jim Blume, don watson, kmmcrafts and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 I picked up one of these years ago for a couple of dollars on clearence. They are quite handy when building with 2x4s. Google "Universal Square". danny, Rolf and OCtoolguy 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfold Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 18 hours ago, OCtoolguy said: I tried the image search but got nothing. Thanks. I clicked on the link and it came up for me. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Yeah I couldn't tell for sure in the picture if it had that edge or not. I'm glad you posted it because I'd never seen one before and I think I have to have one too.. .. Maybe we can get them cheaper doing a group buy, Hahaha.. I'm going to look further into them when I get more time.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 I have one of these when I need to carry a line over a corner https://www.amazon.com/Shinwa-Japanese-Aluminum-Saddle-Layout/dp/B00GVBMCLC/ref=asc_df_B00GVBMCLC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309755258559&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15407268023728738464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004484&hvtargid=pla-597912618684&psc=1 The rest of the time I use a precision 12" combination square (Starrett) or a mini 4" version from I gaging but am not impressed with their quality. These squares give a much broader usage than a saddle square. I inherited the 12 combination set from my father, I did not realize that the complete Starrett set is $200 https://www.amazon.com/iGaging-4-Precision-Double-Square/dp/B008DD1ACI/ref=asc_df_B008DD1ACI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309748512842&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15993580572656288396&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004484&hvtargid=pla-598510073964&psc=1 OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Thanks everybody. Lots if great info and suggestions. The Japanese woodworkers & craftsmen have some neat tools. Life is just too short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 (edited) Ok, I think I have found the best way to go. It's a Simpson construction bracket and it will do just what I want with a few more holes drilled in it and some scribe marks. It'll last a lifetime, especially mine. EDIT: After reading further it seems that this bracket is 6 x 6 so it won't work. Dang!!! But it might work if I cut it down to what I want. Maybe? Time will tell. Edited February 2, 2022 by OCtoolguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wichman Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 Also search for "saddle square". OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry1939 Posted February 2, 2022 Report Share Posted February 2, 2022 find hole drilling template images (bing.com) Might get ideas here. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikes shed Posted February 12, 2022 Report Share Posted February 12, 2022 I have two of these one is 100x100 and the other is 150x150 the size does not matter as long as it is square I have had mine for many years and used them for all manner of jobs . I think that I bought them at a staionary shop. if that helps. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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