Has anybody got one of these? I've tried every name under the sun but still can't find one.

[OCtoolguy]

I have been watching a ton of videos done by a Japanes craftsman and he has a lot of U.S. made tools even though he is in Japan. He pulled this little square out the other day and used it for marking drill holes in a 2 x 4 and I decided that I need one. I've tried every description and name I can think of and even gone on a couple of the Chinese supply sites but still nothing. I'm hoping someone here has one or at least knows what I'm talking about.

 

[preprius]

I don't do this often.  

But you can drag a picture into google search bar (chose find picture icon first).

This came up. . . 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254033039303?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAAkGV1FO7arze3990TT2RVpzN9S%2BDxBKsnswfE%2B6GbDdItiq3trQR3AC4IRiJ%2Bm20DRC48%2FfCGiNM1Y%2Fzvb4EMjYEoM%2B%2FOouu1LMLaQXoX43E9z%2FrycV0FaQlPDdynH2VqNbA7Ky9JEEiTnCpgytV7Z%2BVJATNNnGALnK%2Fs2pK6vQcJN%2BzvhNXvDkyz%2BPCO9Zyp4w%3D%3D

 

[don watson]

Thanks a million for that tip.

Don

[BadBob]

That is an expensive piece of plastic.

[TAIrving]

It looks interesting.  What does one do with it?  Why do we need it?  

[CharleyL]

Amazon has them in the USA, but it will cost more than Ebay. 

amazon.com/12022-Rakuda-2-by-4-Square-Ruler/dp/B001Y51VUI/ref=sr_1_42?crid=173HCDFM7CBR2&keywords=rakuda+square&qid=1643739385&sprefix=rakuda+square%2Caps%2C117&sr=8-42

I used to get things like this from  Japanwoodworker.com, but they are now closed. I believe that Woodcraft is in the process of buying them. Not sure how well this is going.

Charley

[OCtoolguy]

16 hours ago, preprius said:

I don't do this often.  

But you can drag a picture into google search bar (chose find picture icon first).

This came up. . . 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254033039303?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338722076&customid=&toolid=10050&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAAAkGV1FO7arze3990TT2RVpzN9S%2BDxBKsnswfE%2B6GbDdItiq3trQR3AC4IRiJ%2Bm20DRC48%2FfCGiNM1Y%2Fzvb4EMjYEoM%2B%2FOouu1LMLaQXoX43E9z%2FrycV0FaQlPDdynH2VqNbA7Ky9JEEiTnCpgytV7Z%2BVJATNNnGALnK%2Fs2pK6vQcJN%2BzvhNXvDkyz%2BPCO9Zyp4w%3D%3D

 

I tried the image search but got nothing. Thanks.

[kmmcrafts]

Seems like an easy thing to make if you got a Laser cutter, CNC, or 3D printer, LOL.. 

[OCtoolguy]

I make a lot of things using just 2 x 4's and to have this it would speed up marking and measuring. I thought it looked handy for what I do. I might just fab one out of some tin stock or something but for $12, it might just be easier to buy it. 

 

[kmmcrafts]

9 minutes ago, OCtoolguy said:

I make a lot of things using just 2 x 4's and to have this it would speed up marking and measuring. I thought it looked handy for what I do. I might just fab one out of some tin stock or something but for $12, it might just be easier to buy it. 

 

I think $12 isn't too bad really... the issue is the shipping cost for the one on eBay anyway.. At  least for me I think it said shipping was $19.. but maybe I mis-read it.. For me the Amazon one is cheaper which is unusual as normally eBay is cheaper than Amazon.. I don't have prime but it does say free shipping for orders over $25 so find something else you need, LOL

[Jim Blume]

I have one, but it was a gift from a friend who is a cabinet maker. He thought it would be good for making repetitive marks as he worked but then refused to convert his measurements to metric, so he uses a square which has holes in it at various points. Marked in inches is a big plus he says. LOL.

. It is unique and it was a gift, so it hangs out in a drawer in one of my roll-a-rounds, which is full of all sorts of other cool but seldom if ever used items.

I also have one of these and use it all the time. INCRA Precision T-Rules | Rockler Woodworking and Hardware

Edited February 1, 2022 by Jim Blume

[kmmcrafts]

I'm sure if you keep searching the title from these listings you'll find something cheaper.. I found this by doing so.. different brand I think and maybe different but maybe you can work with it for the price? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fiskars-4-1-2-Square-Acrylic-Ruler-4-5-by-4-5-Inch-1-Each/19216413

[OCtoolguy]

7 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

I'm sure if you keep searching the title from these listings you'll find something cheaper.. I found this by doing so.. different brand I think and maybe different but maybe you can work with it for the price? https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fiskars-4-1-2-Square-Acrylic-Ruler-4-5-by-4-5-Inch-1-Each/19216413

No, it has to have that fold so it wraps around the 2x. And the hole patterns for quick marking drill holes. I won't be buying the one on ebay for sure and probably won't buy the one on Amazon either. Worst case, I make my own. It just looked like something handy. The Incra looks neat too but those tiny holes so close together make my eyes hurt. Oh well, it was just a thought. At my age I should stop buying stuff I don't need. I lost another friend last week who I knew since 3rd grade. The reaper is getting too close. 

[BadBob]

I picked up one of these years ago for a couple of dollars on clearence. They are quite handy when building with 2x4s. Google "Universal Square".

 

[Foxfold]

18 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

I tried the image search but got nothing. Thanks.

I clicked on the link and it came up for me. 

[kmmcrafts]

Yeah I couldn't tell for sure in the picture if it had that edge or not. I'm glad you posted it because I'd never seen one before and I think I have to have one too.. .. Maybe we can get them cheaper doing a group buy, Hahaha.. I'm going to look further into them when I get more time.. 

[Rolf]

I have one of these when I need to carry a line over a corner  https://www.amazon.com/Shinwa-Japanese-Aluminum-Saddle-Layout/dp/B00GVBMCLC/ref=asc_df_B00GVBMCLC/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309755258559&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15407268023728738464&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004484&hvtargid=pla-597912618684&psc=1

The rest of the time I use a precision 12" combination square (Starrett) or a mini 4" version from I gaging but am not impressed with their quality. These squares give a much broader usage than a saddle square.  I inherited the 12 combination set from my father, I did not realize that the complete Starrett set is $200 

 https://www.amazon.com/iGaging-4-Precision-Double-Square/dp/B008DD1ACI/ref=asc_df_B008DD1ACI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309748512842&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15993580572656288396&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9004484&hvtargid=pla-598510073964&psc=1

 

 

[OCtoolguy]

Thanks everybody. Lots if great info and suggestions. The Japanese woodworkers & craftsmen have some neat tools. Life is just too short. 

[OCtoolguy]

Ok, I think I have found the best way to go. It's a Simpson construction bracket and it will do just what I want with a few more holes drilled in it and some scribe marks. It'll last a lifetime, especially mine.

 

EDIT: After reading further it seems that this bracket is 6 x 6 so it won't work. Dang!!! But it might work if I cut it down to what I want. Maybe? Time will tell.

 

 

 

Edited February 2, 2022 by OCtoolguy

[Wichman]

Also search for "saddle square".

 

[jerry1939]

find hole drilling template images (bing.com) 

Might get ideas here.

[Mikes shed]

I have two of these one is 100x100 and the other is 150x150 the size does not matter as long as it is square I have had mine for many years and used them for all manner of jobs . I think that I bought them at a staionary shop. if that helps.