NEED SUGGESTIONS FOR A COUPLE OF ON GOING PROBLEMS

[heppnerguy]

As most of you know,  have been scrolling for a long time and right now I just changed all my shop and added three more  tables to it.  As I was putting it all together, it struck me that I have a couple of problems that have been bothering me since the beginning of my scrolling experience.

1.  They are...when i spray glue the back of my patterns I use a piece of cardboard laid on a workbench, and spray my glue onto the pattern back. The problem is I end up with some spay on part of  my tools and occasionally have gotten glue on my bench which attracts saw dust and eventually becomes a mess for me.

2. Painting my backer boards or doing the spray finish I use a cut open cardboard box which helps to keep the paint and finish from  getting on other things but it also shades my light and makes it difficult to see exactly what is going on in the box.

I am open to any helpful suggestions you might be able to pass on to me so that I can resolve these issues and enjoy my new shop in a cleaner and better way to do these 2 item. Thank you all who may have an answer to these problems and are willing to share them with me. Never too old to learn.

Dick

heppnerguy

[Will M]

I use  the bottom part of a pizza box and line it with wax paper,then I put in my pattern then lay the box on a bucket in the middle of my garage.After I remove the pattern I let the wax paper dry and then I can use it several more times.No glue on the work bench,tools or the floor.

Will

[dgman]

I use a pizza box too. I lay the pattern on the box while holding the box with one hand and spray with the other. I usually walk out of the shop to spray. As far as spray paint, I have a large piece of cardboard that covers my table saw. I paint on that.

[grandpuppies]

Open cardboard boxes of different sizes and shapes will solve a multitude of problems. For instance, I have a sanding mop I run on my table top drill press. It would frequently grab the small piece I was sanding and throw it who knows where. I taped a cardboard box big enough to cover the back of the drill press and if a piece was grabbed it went directly into the box rather than across the shop never to be found again for months. I always would take the things I wanted to spray paint out side and put them in a cardboard box to paint them. No fumes, over spray didn't get on any thing I cared about and a new box when things got too muck up. Just a thought.

[WayneMahler]

like so many others i use a cardboard backer for praying my patterns. i do use mine on an angle like it was on easel. combine that with bigger cardboard and no fuss or mess. as your finishing / painting issue. i have made a small spray booth using clear plastic draping. plenty of light with room to work and the pieces set on a lazy susan so they can be rotated . also helps keep unwanted particles from settling on the piece.

[Foxfold]

I use one of Tonys  stackable storage boxes, suits me. 

[new2woodwrk]

I use cut up boxes for not only spraying finishes (I have 2 different types of finishes and 2 different boxes) I cut the lip off one side to make it easier spray and "look" at the unit I'm working on.

I do the exact same thing for spray glue! To make life easy, I stack the boxes large to small - Large = spray box for wall hangers, Med = spray box for puzzles, small = spray box for adhesive

I line the adhesive box with paper towels and let the adhesive build up which forms a solid interior in the box

That's how I handle the issues anyway

[kmmcrafts]

For the patterns I don't use spray glue Unless the pattern is bigger than a normal sheet of paper.. IF it's the normal sheet of paper size then I buy self adhesive full sheet shipping labels.. No sprays, just print peel and stick.. Probably not an answer you was looking for but that's what I do.. Most of the stuff I make fits a full sheet.. 

https://www.amazon.com/Avery-Shipping-Printers-Permanent-TrueBlock/dp/B000093L1J?th=1

These labels are not what I use.. just a sample of what I'm talking about.. I buy bulk 1000 sheets at a time for about $70

As for painting.. well, LOL.. again Most items are just dipped into a Danish oil..  The few items that I do top coat.. I use a old box to spray on top of.. BUT, I also have a special box fan with furnace filter that sucks the over sprayed paint right into the filter so it doesn't float around and paint the tops of my tools as it settles.. Ideally.. if you're mostly using top coats you really should have a dedicated finish room so you're not getting sawdust and other debris in your finish.. Ideally the room would have a fan with filter down low for fresh intake air.. and another on the opposite side up high with filter to suck out and filter the over spray in the air.. That's just my opinion.. and experience with restoring / painting cars, tractors etc. over the years.. I realize you're not spraying that amount.. but it's still a good idea on a much smaller scale.. That's why I say I think Box fans would work well.. Not so much for the larger scale paint room I have for the cars..     

 

[heppnerguy]

Thanks to all that responded. I guess we all use about the same technique.. I was hoping to find something a little different. I have seen some new ideas here and I will give them a try also. I have lots of cardboard ready to continue using if that is what I find works best for me.  I really do not think I have a good place outside to use but  maybe I could figure something out.

Dick

heppnerguy

[OCtoolguy]

I have an old shallow tuna box from Costco that I lay patterns in to spray. I take that box, step outside and spray. For painting or finishing I have 4 pieces of cardboard that I use to form a mini spray booth on top of my bench. I also use a $3 plastic lazy Susan. 

[Wichman]

I'm late to the party, but it's been a long day (trees came down today). To spray adhesive I use five furnace filters I stack them into an open sided box.  Lay the pattern on the bottom filter and spray, the filters catch all the over spray and allow the pressure to dissipate through the filters (no blow back).

I got a pop up spray booth just as it turned cold, so I haven't been able to use it. The spray booth's main point is that you can spray an item (or several) and then zip it closed so that no dust or debris  gets on the sprayed item(s).

Edited February 5, 2022 by Wichman

[John B]

I have a small spray booth set up in the corner of my shed. All contact over spray and fumes are extracted with a fan.

Edited February 5, 2022 by John B

[flarud]

I have a piece of 1/8" plywood about 12"x14" with a 1x2 about 12" long screwed to it.  Visualize a giant fly swatter,, I lay my template on it and step just outside of my shop to spray it.  It also doubles as my wasp killer when they get into the shop.  LOL

[FrankEV]

9 hours ago, heppnerguy said:

Thanks to all that responded. I guess we all use about the same technique.. I was hoping to find something a little different. I have seen some new ideas here and I will give them a try also. I have lots of cardboard ready to continue using if that is what I find works best for me.  I really do not think I have a good place outside to use but  maybe I could figure something out.

Dick

heppnerguy

Unless it is pouring rain, after applying the shelf liner, I do all my glue spraying on the back of my patterns and panels outside.  I simply use an old garbage can as a makeshift table. 

Before going outside, I get everything lined up and use blue tape, like a hinge along one edge, to hold the pattern in the proper position on the panel.  Step outside, lift the pattern, quick spray both pattern and panel, smooth it down.  Back in the shop in less than a minute or two.  I hate getting glue oversparay on my bench and tools.

If i use spray paint or polyurethane  on frames I also do that outside by just laying out some rolled brown paper on the pavement... as long as the sun is shining.  Wipe on poly is better if I have to work inside.  

Like others I use cardboard to prevent overspray of paint in the shop when I use spray paint on my work, but that is not done often.  Staining or coloring of my panels is usually done by brush.  However, I do sparay my panels with spray Lacqer in the shop, but just use brown paper to protect my my table saw that I use as a table.  I do ge some airborn Lacquer dust, but this dust is dry before it lands on onything, so regular shop clean-up keeps that to a minimum.

I get my brown paper in Lowes.  It is 36" wide x 140 ft for under $12 and is considered a drop cloth.  

      

[TAIrving]

Interesting thread - thanks for getting this one going.  

I live in a warmer climate (although it is 26F as I write this) and have a small, poorly ventilated shop.  Most of the sprays, both glue and paint, say to use in a well-ventilated area.  So, with the fumes in mind as well as overspray, I do my spraying outside.  After spraying, I take them back in the shop for drying.   

I have an overgrown space to the side of my shop and amuse myself by spraying weeds with whatever paint I am using - and have an unusual and colorful array of weeds.  As a hobbyist I can afford to wait for days when the weather permits.  

Back in the shop, no woodworking is allowed on those days when I am doing finishing work to avoid sawdust particles getting on the finish.  

[barb.j.enders]

I just bought a pop up spray booth as well.  I haven't got a fan going yet.  It sits on my Flatmaster sander and I put a piece of cardboard on the bottom.  I have only used it a couple of times.  It is white so the light diffuses through it so it isn't dark in there.

[crupiea]

I open the garage door and spray what needs spraying by the door or just outside of it.   My troubkle is wind.  Its like a wind tunnel in my garage area so I have to be just inside the garage to prevent everything getting blown over. 

I first tape my pieces to a card stock backer by floding the tape over.  Then I can just move that piece of crdstock anywhere without worry of touching anything or getting it blown away. 

[timelett]

Keven,the shipping labels, can they be used on ink jet printer? Print the  pattern and apply to wood stock?

[kmmcrafts]

10 minutes ago, timelett said:

Keven,the shipping labels, can they be used on ink jet printer? Print the  pattern and apply to wood stock?

Yeah can be printed with inkjet or laser printer.. I still use clear self adhesive shelf liner on the wood and then the pattern onto that.. The shipping labels are make to stick on packages well as you don't want a address label to fall off so they're fairly sticky and if applied straight to the wood then you'll need a heat gun or something to get them back off, LOL the shelf liner is wonderful for that.. some use blue painters tape or packing tape as well.. but anyway.. you still want to use something like that probably.. I haven't tried sticking to wood and then spray mineral spirits method yet.. I like the shelf liner best so that's what I do. 

[timelett]

That sounds great!  I hate spraying glue, and sometimes the pattern comes off the work anyway. Thanks. 

[Gonzo]

I use the same set up for rattle can painting and spray glue on pattern backs. I tip a box on end and then put a used furnace filter in the back. Overspray collects on the fibers of the furnace filter. Works pretty slick. A poor man’s version of a spray booth. 

[NC Scroller]

For pattern spraying I made a roughly 24x18 wooden tray.  It is 4” deep.  I covered the bottom with freezer paper.  I only change the paper when it get really nasty like once a year. What is nice is the over spray is sticky so once a get a thin layer on it I can hold it upright to spray.  Great for doing small patterns.

For paint and spray finish I do that outside on an old patio table.

Edited February 6, 2022 by NC Scroller

[heppnerguy]

On 2/5/2022 at 6:12 AM, FrankEV said:

Unless it is pouring rain, after applying the shelf liner, I do all my glue spraying on the back of my patterns and panels outside.  I simply use an old garbage can as a makeshift table. 

Before going outside, I get everything lined up and use blue tape, like a hinge along one edge, to hold the pattern in the proper position on the panel.  Step outside, lift the pattern, quick spray both pattern and panel, smooth it down.  Back in the shop in less than a minute or two.  I hate getting glue oversparay on my bench and tools.

If i use spray paint or polyurethane  on frames I also do that outside by just laying out some rolled brown paper on the pavement... as long as the sun is shining.  Wipe on poly is better if I have to work inside.  

Like others I use cardboard to prevent overspray of paint in the shop when I use spray paint on my work, but that is not done often.  Staining or coloring of my panels is usually done by brush.  However, I do sparay my panels with spray Lacqer in the shop, but just use brown paper to protect my my table saw that I use as a table.  I do ge some airborn Lacquer dust, but this dust is dry before it lands on onything, so regular shop clean-up keeps that to a minimum.

I get my brown paper in Lowes.  It is 36" wide x 140 ft for under $12 and is considered a drop cloth.  

      

thank you for reacting to my quandary. I like some of your ideas and I will be implementing some changes and suggestions i have gotten from you and others and see how that works for me. 

 Dick

heppnerguy

[Bill WIlson]

I have a small extension attached to the right side of my radial arm saw table.  It acts as support and sometimes a place to clamp a stop block.  It also serves as a shelf from time to time.  When spraying adhesive on patterns, I lay some newspaper (yea, I still get a newspaper) on this shelf and spray the patterns on that.  I simply lay another sheet over top if I need to spray more than once.  When done, crumple it all up and toss in the trash.

For spraying I use 3 sides of a large cardboard box.  The back has a hole cut in it, with a furnace filter hot glued over the hole.  I use another larger piece of cardboard for the bottom, to cover my table and a 2nd large piece as the "roof".  The sides are free to open up larger than 90 degrees to the back, so I have more open space at the front.  I have a couple trouble lights set up at different angles to provide a raking light so I can see what I'm doing.  I spray shellac almost exclusively, so over spray isn't usually a big problem, but the makeshift spray booth does a decent job of containing most of it.  I made a spray table, using a lazy susan, that allows me to spin the work piece 360 degrees, so I can get all sides, from the front.  It's not the most elegant solution, but has worked pretty well for me.  I fold up the cardboard pieces and can store them flat against the wall, so it doesn't take up space when not in use.

[CSull]

I bought some foam insulation and placed them around and over my window in the garage.  I use different size cardboard boxes to catch most of the over-spray and my fan sends the fumes out the window.  I need to upgrade to a explosion proof fan as this one worry's me when it comes to fumes being ignited.  I also open the garage door a little to provide a little fresh air.