Pegas Chucks on Delta Update

[new2woodwrk]

Well, I've been working with these chucks now for a few weeks, and I must say... I'm not impressed!

I can no longer get a straight up and down cut, it always comes out at an angle.

When I set the table angle to be 90 to the blade, what happens is the cut ALWAYS comes out at an angle. I've used 3 methods to confirm the 90: cut a notch into a piece of wood and flip it around to see if the cut fits from behind, a magnetic digital angle gauge, and a small carpenters square.

IMO there is way too much adjustment right/left in the chuck adjustment screws and I am unable to get the correct angle to cut a straight up and down cut.Consequently all my puzzle cuts are garbage as they can only be aligned from one side!

I have adjusted these heads for hours now and I've given up on them.

I put my old heads back on the saw, problem fixed but the noise is back LOL

I won't be buying another set!

Edited February 15, 2022 by new2woodwrk

[OCtoolguy]

3 hours ago, new2woodwrk said:

Well, I've been working with these chucks now for a few weeks, and I must say... I'm not impressed!

I can no longer get a straight up and down cut, it always comes out at an angle.

When I set the table angle to be 90 to the blade, what happens is the cut ALWAYS comes out at an angle. I've used 3 methods to confirm the 90: cut a notch into a piece of wood and flip it around to see if the cut fits from behind, a magnetic digital angle gauge, and a small carpenters square.

IMO there is way too much adjustment right/left in the chuck adjustment screws and I am unable to get the correct angle to cut a straight up and down cut.Consequently all my puzzle cuts are garbage as they can only be aligned from one side!

I have adjusted these heads for hours now and I've given up on them.

I put my old heads back on the saw, problem fixed but the noise is back LOL

I won't be buying another set!

It is either a defective set of chucks or there problem is with your saw. I'd contact the Pegas vendor and request an exchange set to verify. There are too many satisfied users of these chucks so I think you either got a bad set or there is something out of whack on your saw. 

[malar]

I bought a set for my DeWalt and had pretty much the same problem.

The chucks have an inner spindle they ride on that's wider than the chuck and the chuck will slide side to side.

I contacted the vender who contacted the maker I believe.

They said they would take care of me. I made a set of thin washers from plastic with a set of hole punches, and that fixed the problem for me. It took a long time to get some thing from the makers. I believe they sent me a set of spring or wave washers. I never used them. when my plastic washers wear out I'll go back to the original chucks.

 

They also claim that the chucks weigh less than the originals, I weighed mine and the Pegas chucks are heavier.

[OCtoolguy]

2 hours ago, malar said:

I bought a set for my DeWalt and had pretty much the same problem.

The chucks have an inner spindle they ride on that's wider than the chuck and the chuck will slide side to side.

I contacted the vender who contacted the maker I believe.

They said they would take care of me. I made a set of thin washers from plastic with a set of hole punches, and that fixed the problem for me. It took a long time to get some thing from the makers. I believe they sent me a set of spring or wave washers. I never used them. when my plastic washers wear out I'll go back to the original chucks.

 

They also claim that the chucks weigh less than the originals, I weighed mine and the Pegas chucks are heavier.

They might mean that the Pegas chucks are lighter than the original Excalibur chucks. Not sure but that would be my guess. I put a set on my Dewalt prior to selling that saw and had no problem with them.

[rdatelle]

I put a set on my Ex 21 and no problem that I can notice. I put new set screws and new lever. 

[new2woodwrk]

13 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

It is either a defective set of chucks or there problem is with your saw. I'd contact the Pegas vendor and request an exchange set to verify. There are too many satisfied users of these chucks so I think you either got a bad set or there is something out of whack on your saw. 

Nope sorry, if the old chucks work it can't be the saw.

These chucks are no good for my saw - that's great others have used them with success,

I have wasted hours and hours trying to get these to work that I will never get back

I have not and will not recommend them or use them on any future saws

Waiting for my new saw to arrive

[new2woodwrk]

13 hours ago, malar said:

I bought a set for my DeWalt and had pretty much the same problem.

The chucks have an inner spindle they ride on that's wider than the chuck and the chuck will slide side to side.

I contacted the vender who contacted the maker I believe.

They said they would take care of me. I made a set of thin washers from plastic with a set of hole punches, and that fixed the problem for me. It took a long time to get some thing from the makers. I believe they sent me a set of spring or wave washers. I never used them. when my plastic washers wear out I'll go back to the original chucks.

 

They also claim that the chucks weigh less than the originals, I weighed mine and the Pegas chucks are heavier.

Thanks for your update... Yeah, not going to happen for me!

When I buy a product, I expect it to work and if the company gives me no satisfaction, then I will NEVER do business with that company again and will never recommend anything they sell

I had contacted the company I bought them from originally to return them, they wanted to charge me 20% restocking fee - screw that!

I will never buy anything from that company again either even though others here love them!

[kmmcrafts]

So it's Pegas issue and not that they are being installed on a worn out saw?

I don't have a Delta and never installed a set of these chucks on any Delta or DW saw.. I do have these and installed them on my Excalibur.. and in my kit they supplied new bearing sleeves for the front portion of the saw as it needed longer pins for the wider more solid chucks..

Could be the fact that you have worn bearings.. and installing the new sleeves into the worn bearings quiets the saw down but being the new sleeves aren't worn the same as the bearing it's throwing off your saws blade angle.. and that sleeve can get settled into a permanent spot because the the funky worn bearing.. When taking down a car engine they always recommend replacing the parts from which they came from if reusing them other wise replace all of them right down to the bolts in the same hole from where they came from.. There is a reason for that. It don't take much to be off in one spot to throw something way off in another spot..

I'll go on a limb and say it's the saw issue and not the blade chuck issue for this reason.. You already had issues with noise.. There are way too many rave reviews of these chucks in my opinion to be the chuck issue.. I have heard of "some" issues with these chucks besides you.. but really only about 3-4 others.. and just like you.. they was going on a old saw that was probably pretty well worn..

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong as I have no idea since I'm not there working on it.. and seeing what wear the old sleeves have and what the saw is doing wrong / right.. BUT.. I have been reading about your saw sounding loud and maybe worn.. I also know you had it apart.. I wasn't there to see how tight you put things back together etc..

Old bearings like to have the same inch pounds or foot pounds of torque applied to them that they had or they'll be noisy wear out faster etc.. I never understood those that take these apart and only replace half of the parts in them.. Unless they are precisely measuring the bearings and sleeves to see that they are within a tolerance the new tighter bearings & sleeves will make the older slightly sloppy bearings and sleeves hammer themselves into destruction faster.. then they'll be pulling it apart again in short order to replace those.. 

I stand by my word that it's faulty equipment and not faulty blade chucks.. I might be wrong.. but I'm just not buying it knowing the history of the saw with having issues before these was installed.. and knowing the quality of the chucks I received and the many more rave reviews for these Pegas parts.. saws, blades and all.. It's a saw issue I think..  

 

[OCtoolguy]

You wanna sell them? How much?

[new2woodwrk]

17 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

You wanna sell them? How much?

They're ruined - needed to use vice grips to get them off the saw!

[new2woodwrk]

22 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

So it's Pegas issue and not that they are being installed on a worn out saw?

I don't have a Delta and never installed a set of these chucks on any Delta or DW saw.. I do have these and installed them on my Excalibur.. and in my kit they supplied new bearing sleeves for the front portion of the saw as it needed longer pins for the wider more solid chucks..

Could be the fact that you have worn bearings.. and installing the new sleeves into the worn bearings quiets the saw down but being the new sleeves aren't worn the same as the bearing it's throwing off your saws blade angle.. and that sleeve can get settled into a permanent spot because the the funky worn bearing.. When taking down a car engine they always recommend replacing the parts from which they came from if reusing them other wise replace all of them right down to the bolts in the same hole from where they came from.. There is a reason for that. It don't take much to be off in one spot to throw something way off in another spot..

I'll go on a limb and say it's the saw issue and not the blade chuck issue for this reason.. You already had issues with noise.. There are way too many rave reviews of these chucks in my opinion to be the chuck issue.. I have heard of "some" issues with these chucks besides you.. but really only about 3-4 others.. and just like you.. they was going on a old saw that was probably pretty well worn..

I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong as I have no idea since I'm not there working on it.. and seeing what wear the old sleeves have and what the saw is doing wrong / right.. BUT.. I have been reading about your saw sounding loud and maybe worn.. I also know you had it apart.. I wasn't there to see how tight you put things back together etc..

Old bearings like to have the same inch pounds or foot pounds of torque applied to them that they had or they'll be noisy wear out faster etc.. I never understood those that take these apart and only replace half of the parts in them.. Unless they are precisely measuring the bearings and sleeves to see that they are within a tolerance the new tighter bearings & sleeves will make the older slightly sloppy bearings and sleeves hammer themselves into destruction faster.. then they'll be pulling it apart again in short order to replace those.. 

I stand by my word that it's faulty equipment and not faulty blade chucks.. I might be wrong.. but I'm just not buying it knowing the history of the saw with having issues before these was installed.. and knowing the quality of the chucks I received and the many more rave reviews for these Pegas parts.. saws, blades and all.. It's a saw issue I think..  

 

Good points - then why does it work with my old chucks?

That logic escapes me

 

[kmmcrafts]

52 minutes ago, new2woodwrk said:

Good points - then why does it work with my old chucks?

That logic escapes me

 

Maybe the bearings are worn more on one side of them more than the other side so when you pull the tension lever it's putting an angle from that slop? The Pegas chucks mount out farther and a little slop closer to the bearing isn't much.. but putting that longer pin in and mounting the chuck farther from the bearing would have more angle than close to the bearing I think.. I don't know.. I just have a hard time believing it's not something with the saw considering the issues at hand.. Like I said I could be wrong and maybe the chucks are faulty, things do happen to every company.. I suppose it's how the company responds to a situation is more important than the fact of them having a faulty part.. But the real questions I have is.. Is the part really faulty or is it that worn out saw? I mean.. they are not miracle chucks to renew a whole saw.. 

 

[OCtoolguy]

The use of vise-grips tells me all I need to know.

[kmmcrafts]

3 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

The use of vise-grips tells me all I need to know.

Well, I must have missed that part but since you said it Ray, I have to agree.. while I try not to mention others mechanical abilities or even the tools they have and try to use. It does make one realize why there are restocking fees applied on returns for some companies. I worked in several areas of the automotive repair field from Mechanic to Auto Body Collision repair.. Every time I think I've seen it all someone comes in and never seizes to amaze me.. There are a lot of folks that should never own a welder or a few hand tools.. I've seen where a guy lost the bolts to his brake caliper so he welded it on then brought it in to us when the seals on the caliper was melted and didn't have brakes, LOL Thing is.. the brand new brake caliper he bought the day before was junk according to him then expected us to replace it free.. It wasn't because it was welded on as he claims it didn't get hot enough to melt those seals.. LOL Okay..It probably could be welded on without too much heat if he really knew how to weld.. but there was enough weld on it to dang near build another car, LOL

That all being said, in most cases we all start somewhere so I don't pick on people for trying.. at least they try so I give credit to that.. we all fail at things but the only time we really fail is when we don't learn from it and get back up and try again.. 

[OCtoolguy]

This says it all Kevin,

 

[new2woodwrk]

On 2/17/2022 at 12:01 PM, OCtoolguy said:

The use of vise-grips tells me all I need to know.

Yeah, well I made no secret about my mechanical ability or lack there of so deal with it!

[OCtoolguy]

22 minutes ago, new2woodwrk said:

Yeah, well I made no secret about my mechanical ability or lack there of so deal with it!

I'm sorry but I had to point it out. The use of Vise-Grips should be the absolute last choice. There is always a better way.

[Roberta Moreton]

I put a set on a Dewalt saw with no problems. I did buy the type made for the Dewalt saw.

[Woodmaster1]

I put them on my Delta with no issues.