Hybrid scrolling

[Millwab]

I was cutting some military plaques to use for scrolling examples for an upcoming demonstration I’ll be doing.  Originally cut the veining but wasn’t particularly happy with the way it turned out so I decided to experiment with lasering the veining/inside details and scroll the rest.  I liked the results enough to show one of each.  The scrolling purist would frown on this I’m sure, but I’m thinking the non-scroller might think it shows up better.  Picture shows the difference.  Plaque on the left is cut, one on the right is the hybrid. 

[TAIrving]

Very nice cutting Bruce.  And the hybrid one is very nice also.  I am a purist and appreciate the effort and attention to detail required to do a project like this on the scroll saw.  

When I see something like this I look for the burn marks that are a tell for lasering.  They are apparent in the hybrid one on the right, and in fact make the veining stand out better.  For that reason, the hybrid one actually looks better.  

But it brings up the question; did you actually scroll the words "Semper Fidelis" in the one on the left?  It looks like it has the laser burn tell.  And I am most impressed  if you did that small, fine cutting on the scroll saw.

Either way, great job!

[Millwab]

1 hour ago, TAIrving said:

But it brings up the question; did you actually scroll the words "Semper Fidelis" in the one on the left? 

This was done by hand, but with a wood burner.  Even my 3/0 blades would have been too big for this. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Millwab

[daveww1]

both are very nice

 

[stoney]

I see the plaque on the left does not have all the veining completed.  The hybrid looks nice but the way I see it if part of the project is laser cut why not the whole plaque?  JMHO  

[BadBob]

I have long thought that a laser could be used for engraving a pattern on wood for cutting with a scroll saw. You just gave me yet another reason to want a laser.

[Millwab]

2 hours ago, stoney said:

I see the plaque on the left does not have all the veining completed.  The hybrid looks nice but the way I see it if part of the project is laser cut why not the whole plaque?  JMHO  

Al, the plaque on the left has all the veining cut. Just might not be apparent in the picture. My purpose of using the laser was to see how it would look if the veining stood out more.  I don’t want to give up the scrolling (p)art of it but for someone not into or appreciating the cut veining they would only visualize something difficult to see. Besides, my laser isn’t powerful enough to easily cut through 1/4” ply.  Also, I cut the inner rings at an angle so they will push out about half the thickness to give it a 3-D look (like this) …

[Millwab]

2 hours ago, BadBob said:

I have long thought that a laser could be used for engraving a pattern on wood for cutting with a scroll saw. You just gave me yet another reason to want a laser.

Bob, don’t want to discourage you from getting a new toy, but the advantage of using a paper pattern is that if you stray off the pattern line it isn’t noticeable once the pattern is removed.  If you do laser the pattern make sure the lines you burn are narrower than the blade kerf and don’t stray .  On these plaques I cut the lines I didn’t keep to the waste side of the blade so you wouldn’t see them. 

[Dak0ta52]

Both are nicely cut and the lettering on the "Semper Fidelis" is much neater "cleaner" than the one done with the wood burner. (Understand that isn't a snub on you. It's obvious a computer and laser will be much more precise.) I have nothing against using a laser... and maybe one day I'll have one for myself.

Concerning the veining, when I first started scrolling I realized cutting veins with the blade I was using to cut the project often left the veins quite small and sometimes hard to see. I started cutting veins with a spiral blade, usually a #2/0, and they were large enough to see the detail the veining projected.

[blondewood]

I agree with ss purism, BUT the one on the right does look nicer.  This makes me see the wisdom of combining the two crafts at times.

[BadBob]

20 hours ago, Millwab said:

Bob, don’t want to discourage you from getting a new toy, but the advantage of using a paper pattern is that if you stray off the pattern line it isn’t noticeable once the pattern is removed.  If you do laser the pattern make sure the lines you burn are narrower than the blade kerf and don’t stray .  On these plaques I cut the lines I didn’t keep to the waste side of the blade so you wouldn’t see them. 

Yes, I thought of that.

[stoney]

On 6/8/2022 at 12:21 PM, Millwab said:

Al, the plaque on the left has all the veining cut. Just might not be apparent in the picture. My purpose of using the laser was to see how it would look if the veining stood out more.  I don’t want to give up the scrolling (p)art of it but for someone not into or appreciating the cut veining they would only visualize something difficult to see. Besides, my laser isn’t powerful enough to easily cut through 1/4” ply.  Also, I cut the inner rings at an angle so they will push out about half the thickness to give it a 3-D look (like this) …

On my second look I see the veining is cut but doesn't show well in your picture.  The drilled hole is larger than the veining.  I quite often use a spiral blade to enhance the veining and allow it to show up better.

[Dave Monk]

What size blade did you use on the veining?

[Millwab]

15 minutes ago, Dave Monk said:

What size blade did you use on the veining?

I believe it was a #1

[Juan Rodriguez]

Pardon my ignorance, but what is hybrid scrolling?

[OCtoolguy]

4 hours ago, Juan Rodriguez said:

Pardon my ignorance, but what is hybrid scrolling?

Not scrolling, not lasering. A hybrid of the two. Like a Prius. 

[Gene Howe]

On 6/14/2022 at 4:15 PM, OCtoolguy said:

Not scrolling, not lasering. A hybrid of the two. Like a Prius. 

Can't do hybrid stuff on my scroll saw. It's totally electric. 

[barb.j.enders]

On 6/8/2022 at 11:21 AM, Millwab said:

Also, I cut the inner rings at an angle so they will push out about half the thickness to give it a 3-D look (like this) …

I like the idea of the angle.  I originally thought this was layered.  

[SawTooth1953]

I think the hybrid choice is yours to make. Using a wood burning tool is still hand-made. There are many situations where veining adds to the result and the access holes used, even for very fine blades, have the potential to be distracting. That's not to mention the time consumption to do a lot of them. 

 

Scroll saw 'purists' aren't truly your 'target audience' for your work. Don't worry too much about them. (The only time it actually comes into play is in a "competition" situation, which are few and far between, and the sponsor should be queried about hybrid work where pyrography is added to the scroll saw project.)

Thanks for sharing.

 

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