preprius Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 I am getting some aluminum oxide from my table. on my hands and wood pieces. Even days after I cleaned and waxed it. I have put johnson paste wax on it. During that process it gave off lots of black oxide. What is the full cleaning process I should use for aluminum table? I own a hawk. Me. Mark Eason OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyred Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 I think you would be better off to cover the aluminum, maybe with one of the magnetic covers such as the one sold by Seyco. To keep the cast iron on my DW788 from getting on my projects, I covered it with a piece of tempered Masonite. The Masonite was coated with a couple of coats of polyurethane, then waxed. This also is a lot slicker than the original table, which makes moving the piece easier. Tom OCtoolguy and WayneMahler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, jollyred said: I think you would be better off to cover the aluminum, maybe with one of the magnetic covers such as the one sold by Seyco. To keep the cast iron on my DW788 from getting on my projects, I covered it with a piece of tempered Masonite. The Masonite was coated with a couple of coats of polyurethane, then waxed. This also is a lot slicker than the original table, which makes moving the piece easier. Tom Why did the aluminum can an the magnet never date? Neither was attracted to the other. Masonite is a good choice. A Google search will give good suggestions. After cleaning try spraying the table with Teflon. It should stop future staining and gi e you a good, slick table. OCtoolguy, crupiea and Wilson142 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 2 hours ago, preprius said: I am getting some aluminum oxide from my table. on my hands and wood pieces. Even days after I cleaned and waxed it. I have put johnson paste wax on it. During that process it gave off lots of black oxide. What is the full cleaning process I should use for aluminum table? I own a hawk. Me. Mark Eason When I had mine I just kept it clean & waxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayneMahler Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 Back in the day I just kept mine waxed and never had a problem. I now have a cast iron top and just wax it, I do know of folks that put a piece of something like hard board across the top and they seemed to be happy with the results with much interference to deal with. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 I've read where others have complained about this with the Hawk saws tops, I never experienced it with my older Hawks but my new Hawk recently started doing this slightly.. I just used a Lacquer thinner and wiped it down good and then used the Johnson's paste wax. Sounds like yours is in need of a really good deep cleaning, you might need to take a fine grit scotch bright pad and attach it to a random orbital sander after wiping it with Lacquer thinner.. then wipe again after the scotch bright.. wax it good.. maybe even use the sander with a soft cloth and sort of buff the wax off.. maybe do that a couple times with the wax. IF it persist after that then I'm not sure.. top coat it with a clearcoat? LOL OCtoolguy and BadBob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, kmmcrafts said: Sounds like yours is in need of a really good deep cleaning, you might need to take a fine grit scotch bright pad and attach it to a random orbital sander after wiping it with Lacquer thinner.. then wipe again after the scotch bright.. wax it good.. maybe even use the sander with a soft cloth and sort of buff the wax off.. maybe do that a couple times with the wax. IF it persist after that then I'm not sure.. top coat it with a clearcoat? LOL I second this with a few additional suggestions. WD-40 with a Scotch-Brite pad is excellent for cleaning aluminum and cast iron metal surfaces. I have Shopsmith equipment and RBI Hawk, so I have aluminum tables all over my shop. The solvent in Johnson's Paste wax is Stoddard, a more refined version of mineral spirits. Clean your table with mineral spirits and wax and buff it according to the directions on the can. I would not use lacquer thinner because it can dissolve finishes and some plastics where mineral spirits is safe to use on most surfaces and it is cheaper. Johnson's Paste wax isn't made anymore. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BadBob said: I second this with a few additional suggestions. WD-40 with a Scotch-Brite pad is excellent for cleaning aluminum and cast iron metal surfaces. I have Shopsmith equipment and RBI Hawk, so I have aluminum tables all over my shop. The solvent in Johnson's Paste wax is Stoddard, a more refined version of mineral spirits. Clean your table with mineral spirits and wax and buff it according to the directions on the can. I would not use lacquer thinner because it can dissolve finishes and some plastics where mineral spirits is safe to use on most surfaces and it is cheaper. Johnson's Paste wax isn't made anymore. Is there an alternative to the Johnson's Paste wax? I've only got a couple years worth left in my can I've had since 2005.. So I'm going to need something in the future, LOL EDIT To Add: I found this google searching it. This list some alternatives. Since it was recently discontinued there might be some on a shelf in a store somewhere, I'm going to keep an eye out for some. Probably another can or two will last me the rest of my scrolling days, LOL Is Johnson's Paste Wax discontinued? Please note: Johnson Paste Wax will be discontinued on December 31, 2021. Freeman Wax Release, Trewax Clear Paste Wax, and Partall Paste #2 are the recommended alternatives. Edited June 17, 2022 by kmmcrafts OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill WIlson Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 Minwax Paste Wax should be relatively easy to find. Likely available any place that sells Minwax products, which is pretty much everywhere, except Home Depot. kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted June 17, 2022 Report Share Posted June 17, 2022 Now that I think back, when I brought my 226 Ultra home it had an oxidized table. I used my ROS sander with 220 paper to clean it up. Then I hit it with a couple coats of Johnson's. No more oxidation. kmmcrafts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 21 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: Is there an alternative to the Johnson's Paste wax? I've only got a couple years worth left in my can I've had since 2005.. So I'm going to need something in the future, LOL There are others, but I like this so much that I bought every can I could find locally. You can make paste wax. It is wax dissolved in a solvent. Much like the beeswax and mineral oil that is so popular except that the oil is replaced with solvent. kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barb.j.enders Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 Would Carnuba wax be an alternative? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberta Moreton Posted June 18, 2022 Report Share Posted June 18, 2022 My husband just found some on EBAY. Ordered me one! Sweet guy! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 My son used to work for a race car engine builder which use aluminum car engines and I'm building a older car that has a aluminum engine block. My engine block is bad looking with the oxidation that happens with aluminum. My son was looking my car over and I mentioned I'd like to find a way to clean that oxidation up and make the aluminum look new. He said the engine builder that he used to work for always used this stuff and it cleaned up really well to like fresh metal look. I'll likely be getting some of this stuff at some point but not until I get the engine reassembled which is a little ways out yet. Just thought I'd mention it here since we was talking about the table tops. I'm wondering if this might clean the tables up and keep them from marking up the back side of the wood. Bit pricey since most of us have mineral spirits or some other similar products that have already been mentioned. If I have any of this stuff left after cleaning up my car I might give it a try on my saw table.. For curiosity sake has anyone ever used this stuff or some other type cleaner to clean up aluminum? Maybe I'll learn of something better or cheaper etc. from someone here. https://www.amazon.com/Bright-Aluminum-Cleaner-Brightener-Concentrate/dp/B06XFZTTHJ OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 On 6/18/2022 at 8:45 AM, barb.j.enders said: Would Carnuba wax be an alternative? Carnuba wax is hard. You would need to blend it with some softer waxes. Making your own, you can blend the waxes to match your needs perfectly. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 Never Dull works great for cleaning aluminum. kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preprius Posted June 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2022 Update, I found some articles about white vinegar and lemon juice to clean aluminum. Cleaned my table up with that rinsed off the residue. Then applied Carnuba wax and after a few hours put on Johnson paste wax. I cut some BB ply and no oxidation on wood or my hands. After about 6 hours of cutting (3 day weekend), I applied another layer of wax. Thanks this is a great village. OCtoolguy and kmmcrafts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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