Popular Post Dak0ta52 Posted October 30, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 With the change in hours at work, my time on the saw has been limited... very limited! I finally finished this cut from a BirchBark pattern using Maple with a Birch backer. The frame is pre-shaped Walnut and I shimmed the corners for strength. The cut is stained with Minwax Natural and the backer is stained with Minwax Espresso. The frame was pre-finished although I did touch it up with Minwax Dark Walnut stain. For the first time I used my new air sprayer with Polyacrylic and was pleased with the results. I cut it using Pegas #2/0, #0 and #1 spiral blades. I stack cut this but the other piece was Birch and delaminated in places when removing the shelf liner. I hope to paint it in the near future in hopes of hiding the delamination. I've about decided to start placing my wood face to face when doing cuts. I know I could only do this on pieces that were not limited in left or right such as patterns with words. But doing so will prevent delamination from happening on the face of the projects. For instance, the Jim Blume Stagecoach I cut was a double stack and faced different directions. I tell people one stage is going east and the other is going west. RabidAlien, Charlie E, Phantom Scroller and 18 others 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxfold Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Nice work ! Would using applying the pattern directly to the wood with a repositionable spray glue which can be removed with a wipe of white spirit help with the delamination ? Dak0ta52 and Lucky2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveww1 Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 very nice job Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Very nice picture, well presented! danny and Dak0ta52 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrollshrimp Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Nice detail and presentation. Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak0ta52 Posted October 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak0ta52 Posted October 30, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Foxfold said: Nice work ! Would using applying the pattern directly to the wood with a repositionable spray glue which can be removed with a wipe of white spirit help with the delamination ? I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain. Foxfold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie E Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 Really nice! Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfish Posted October 30, 2022 Report Share Posted October 30, 2022 I use masking tape first and then apply the image to the masking tape. Just peal it of when done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak0ta52 Posted October 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2022 16 hours ago, Foxfold said: I use masking tape first and then apply the image to the masking tape. Just peal it of when done I use blue painter tape on some of my pieces. That seems to work sometimes. I really believe my problem is the cheap box store wood I use. John B, Lucky2 and danny 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heppnerguy Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 On 10/30/2022 at 10:06 AM, Dak0ta52 said: I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain. Maybe you are using too much spray adhesive. It only takes a very quick once over, let it sit for about 2 minutes before applying it to the wood. Make sure the wood is sanded well and very clean of dust. Then just a light application of mineral spirits and wait about one minute to remove the pattern. It should almost fall off on it's own. When done this way you should have no residue. If you try to remove the pattern too quickly and a little part of it does stick, you can use a paper towel barely dampened over that area and it should remove any residue completely. I remember when I first tried doing it this way, I was very skeptical about doing it this way and used too much spray adhesive and experienced what you are talking about. Then I read some direction from someone on a different scroll saw page and explained it the way I just did above. Only this guy did not put the pattern on the wood until at least 3 minutes and up to 5 minutes. I did it the way I told you above and it worked perfectly. I was afraid the pattern would lift but I was willing to give it a try. I was pleasantly surprised and it is how I do all my scrolling now, even with a lot of very small fret holes. I never need my blue painters tape any longer and I never have any surface damage when I remove the pattern. Dick heppnerguy BadBob, Lucky2 and Dak0ta52 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) On 10/31/2022 at 10:09 AM, Dak0ta52 said: I use blue painter tape on some of my pieces. That seems to work sometimes. I really believe my problem is the cheap box store wood I use. I think you are probably correct Rodney. I started out using Luan ply from our "Box Store" Bunnings and it presented no end of problems. Even their so called up market They charge like it's the top of the wazza) has veneers so thin you can't even think about sanding them or your through. I truly like that piece mate. Edited November 7, 2022 by John B Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted November 6, 2022 Report Share Posted November 6, 2022 8 hours ago, heppnerguy said: Maybe you are using too much spray adhesive. It only takes a very quick once over, let it sit for about 2 minutes before applying it to the wood. Make sure the wood is sanded well and very clean of dust. Then just a light application of mineral spirits and wait about one minute to remove the pattern. It should almost fall off on it's own. When done this way you should have no residue. If you try to remove the pattern too quickly and a little part of it does stick, you can use a paper towel barely dampened over that area and it should remove any residue completely. I remember when I first tried doing it this way, I was very skeptical about doing it this way and used too much spray adhesive and experienced what you are talking about. Then I read some direction from someone on a different scroll saw page and explained it the way I just did above. Only this guy did not put the pattern on the wood until at least 3 minutes and up to 5 minutes. I did it the way I told you above and it worked perfectly. I was afraid the pattern would lift but I was willing to give it a try. I was pleasantly surprised and it is how I do all my scrolling now, even with a lot of very small fret holes. I never need my blue painters tape any longer and I never have any surface damage when I remove the pattern. Dick heppnerguy I have tried every method and 3M 77 with the pattern applied directly to the wood is now my go to method. heppnerguy and Dak0ta52 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbow388 Posted November 18, 2022 Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Love the piece, that is a great backer board on it. I need to cut that pattern. Edited November 18, 2022 by Tbow388 Added to. Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric67 Posted November 18, 2022 Report Share Posted November 18, 2022 I like your job, Bravo Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdatelle Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 That came out great. Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 19, 2022 Report Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 10/29/2022 at 7:09 PM, Dak0ta52 said: Very nice work. I really like this one. Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted November 24, 2022 Report Share Posted November 24, 2022 Better Late than Never. I have used about ALL METHODS to secure the Pattern. Shelf Liner is my Go to now. Peels off Very Easily and DOES NOT pull at the wood fibers. Danny :+} Dak0ta52 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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