First Project in a While

[Dak0ta52]

With the change in hours at work, my time on the saw has been limited... very limited! I finally finished this cut from a BirchBark pattern using Maple with a Birch backer. The frame is pre-shaped Walnut and I shimmed the corners for strength. The cut is stained with Minwax Natural and the backer is stained with Minwax Espresso. The frame was pre-finished although I did touch it up with Minwax Dark Walnut stain. For the first time I used my new air sprayer with Polyacrylic and was pleased with the results. I cut it using Pegas #2/0, #0 and #1 spiral blades. I stack cut this but the other piece was Birch and delaminated in places when removing the shelf liner. I hope to paint it in the near future in hopes of hiding the delamination.

I've about decided to start placing my wood face to face when doing cuts. I know I could only do this on pieces that were not limited in left or right such as patterns with words. But doing so will prevent delamination from happening on the face of the projects. For instance, the Jim Blume Stagecoach I cut was a double stack and faced different directions. I tell people one stage is going east and the other is going west.

 

[Foxfold]

Nice work !   

Would using applying the pattern directly to the wood with a repositionable  spray glue which can be removed with a wipe of white spirit help with the delamination  ?  

[daveww1]

very nice job

[Scrappile]

Very nice picture,  well presented!

[Scrollshrimp]

Nice detail and presentation.

[Dak0ta52]

I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain.

[Dak0ta52]

7 hours ago, Foxfold said:

Nice work !   

Would using applying the pattern directly to the wood with a repositionable  spray glue which can be removed with a wipe of white spirit help with the delamination  ?  

I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain.

[Charlie E]

Really nice! 

[goldfish]

I use masking tape first and then apply the image to the masking tape. Just peal it of when done

 

[Dak0ta52]

16 hours ago, Foxfold said:

 I use masking tape first and then apply the image to the masking tape. Just peal it of when done 

I use blue painter tape on some of my pieces. That seems to work sometimes. I really believe my problem is the cheap box store wood I use.

[heppnerguy]

On 10/30/2022 at 10:06 AM, Dak0ta52 said:

I've tried that and still get a little residue on the piece. After I pull the pattern, I've had to wash away the adhesive. I've also tried sanding the adhesive away. That does prevent the delamination but makes imperfections on the face of the wood from adhesive that, even though you can't see, remains on the surface and prevents the wood from taking the stain.

Maybe  you are using  too much spray adhesive. It only takes a very quick once over, let it sit for about 2 minutes before applying it to the wood.  Make sure the wood is sanded well and very clean of dust. Then just a light application of mineral spirits and wait about one minute to remove the pattern. It should almost fall off on it's own. When done this way you should have no residue. If you try to remove the pattern too quickly and a little part of it does stick, you can use a paper towel barely dampened over that area and it should remove any residue completely. 

I remember when I first tried doing it this way, I was very skeptical about doing it this way and used too much spray adhesive and experienced what you are talking about. Then I read some direction from someone on a different scroll saw page and explained it  the way I just did above. Only this guy did not put the pattern on the wood until at least 3 minutes and up to 5 minutes. I did it  the way I told you above and it worked perfectly. I was afraid the pattern would lift but  I was willing to give it a try. I was pleasantly surprised and it is how I do all my scrolling now, even with a lot of very small fret holes. I never  need my blue painters tape any longer and I never have any surface damage when I remove the pattern.

Dick

heppnerguy 

[John B]

On 10/31/2022 at 10:09 AM, Dak0ta52 said:

I use blue painter tape on some of my pieces. That seems to work sometimes. I really believe my problem is the cheap box store wood I use.

I think you are probably correct Rodney.
I started out using Luan ply from our "Box Store" Bunnings and it presented no end of problems. Even their so called up market They charge like it's the top of the wazza) has veneers so thin you can't even think about sanding them or your through.

I truly like that piece mate.

Edited November 7, 2022 by John B

[BadBob]

8 hours ago, heppnerguy said:

Maybe  you are using  too much spray adhesive. It only takes a very quick once over, let it sit for about 2 minutes before applying it to the wood.  Make sure the wood is sanded well and very clean of dust. Then just a light application of mineral spirits and wait about one minute to remove the pattern. It should almost fall off on it's own. When done this way you should have no residue. If you try to remove the pattern too quickly and a little part of it does stick, you can use a paper towel barely dampened over that area and it should remove any residue completely. 

I remember when I first tried doing it this way, I was very skeptical about doing it this way and used too much spray adhesive and experienced what you are talking about. Then I read some direction from someone on a different scroll saw page and explained it  the way I just did above. Only this guy did not put the pattern on the wood until at least 3 minutes and up to 5 minutes. I did it  the way I told you above and it worked perfectly. I was afraid the pattern would lift but  I was willing to give it a try. I was pleasantly surprised and it is how I do all my scrolling now, even with a lot of very small fret holes. I never  need my blue painters tape any longer and I never have any surface damage when I remove the pattern.

Dick

heppnerguy 

I have tried every method and 3M 77 with the pattern applied directly to the wood is now my go to method.

 

[Tbow388]

Love the piece, that is a great backer board on it. I need to cut that pattern.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Tbow388
Added to.

[Eric67]

I like your job, Bravo

[rdatelle]

That came out great.

[OCtoolguy]

On 10/29/2022 at 7:09 PM, Dak0ta52 said:

 

Very nice work. I really like this one.

 

[danny]

Better Late than Never.  I have used about ALL METHODS to secure the Pattern.  Shelf Liner is my Go to now.  Peels off Very Easily and DOES NOT pull at the wood fibers.  Danny :+}