WoodJunky Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I am in the process of designing a layered pattern. It will consist of 3 layers and it's the 3rd layer I am having problems with, I have attached what I have done so far and to me it looks incomplete. I really don't know how to improve it, some thoughts are continuing the lower lines across under the mountains, lengthening the lines from the mountain tops ??? Even though parts of it will be hidden by the other layers. Should mention the area above the mountains is all that will be cut out and the 2 layer in front of it will be a tree on the left side and an elephant on the right. I am open for suggestions for which I thank you in advance. Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dock Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Not sure if I follow your reasoning but here are my thoughts. You could cut each layer out then glue then back in using small pieces of wood as spacers. If using 6mm thickness wood, each spacer would be between 2 - 4 mm thick. You could cut everything by tilting the saw table so the bottom layers stands bashful, the middle layer is cut normal and the front layer is cut proud. Hope this makes sense to you, if not feel free to respond off line Dock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messman Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 The only way I would be able to give you any ideas or suggestions is to see all the layers layed out on top of each other. I just can't properly visualize it. I'm sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Hi Brenden, I think you're on the right track. With layered designs I prefer having the detailed designs in the front and progressivly work more simple toward the back. So for your background mountains, I'd leave it just as a silhouette. I can't wait to see the finished project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJunky Posted April 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 you have all given me some ideas to think about and I thank you for that Dock - I was planning to place spacer between each layer but did not think about using 2 - 4 mm thick spacers, will look into that when I have completed cutting it out as it will reduce the overall thickness. Messman - I have not yet completed the the other layers as yet, I have the designs that I would like to use but not sure if i can use them. The reason for that is and I think at this stage I will make it another question for help from anyone who will be able to answer. I am unable to create a pattern from a picture that I can use so I have found some free patterns (ie Elephant and a tree) which I should be able to create the other layers with. Now my question is am I allowed to use and modify another person free pattern for my use?. The items that I will make will not be sold but will be given as presents or gifts Travis - You think that I should leave this layer as it is you are probably right maybe that will be the way I may end up having to go with. I have made some adjustments to this layer which is attached below, now will this make the background to busy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messman Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 I have used the patterns of others to make up a new pattern myself. The designers of the original work ended up jumping all over me and asked me to remove it from the net even when I gave them credit for the original work, and I was just posting the pattern for additional ideas. So I would encourage you to get written permission from the author of the original workk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 If you're just making it for yourself to keep, I wouldn't worry about it. But if you're distributing it on the internet, print, or just giving it to your buddy, you really need permission from the original artist. It really doesn't matter if you're getting paid or not. When you use the work of an artist to create your own version, this is called derivative work. Whether it be a photograph, painting, drawing or another scroll saw pattern. Unless you have written permission, it is a violation of copyright law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJunky Posted April 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Well ok, this sheds a totally different light on what I was going to do but that alright as this was a learning exercise for me anyway. I have briefly looked into copyrights in the past but did not think that a free pattern that I will use to make up a new pattern would be not be allowed even though I had intended to give credit to the pattern maker. Travis - So in other words its ok to use free patterns as they are but once you start modifying it, it becomes a violation of the pattern copyright law, I wasn't going to modify the pattern in anyway all I was going to do was put a frame around it and extend the grass on the pattern to edge of the frame. I guess I can still complete the layered pattern as it is a learning exercise but I can never use it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messman Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 You may modify any pattern you obtain for your use. What you may not do is use patterns designed by others to create a new pattern to distribute to others without the designers permission even if you give the designers credit. I will give you an example. This cutting Elements of this cutting came from two other designers and parts came from me. I can not share this pattern with anyone because I do not have permission from the other designers to do so. I can cut this pattern all day long and show off the cutting all I want and do as I will with the cutting. I just can not distribute the pattern in any way shape or form. So you can continue doing what you are doing with your layered peice, you just can not share, post, sell, give away the pattern you come up with, unless you obtain permission from the pattern makers who designed the elements you are using. I hope that clears things up a little, and that I did not make you brain go crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJunky Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Thanks for the reply Messman, I understand what you are saying, for example I can take one of your patterns from the pattern library, lets choose Hitch'n A Ride and I can change some of the elements of this pattern and cut it out until the cows come home and I can even show it off online but I can't return the modified pattern to the library or distribute it for others to use. Lets get back to this pattern I am doing ,the front layer of this pattern is an elephant which is a free pattern and I can do the same as I have mentioned above and that is place a frame around it extend the grass to the edge of the frame and I can cut it out as much as I want but as soon as I add it to the layered pattern and cut that out I violate the pattern copyright law, that is correct isn't it ?? Don't worry my brain is already crazy as it is, this has actually taken me to a new level of thinking as I in a sense thought that a free pattern was a free pattern that I could do as I pleased with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messman Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 ...Lets get back to this pattern I am doing ,the front layer of this pattern is an elephant which is a free pattern and I can do the same as I have mentioned above and that is place a frame around it extend the grass to the edge of the frame and I can cut it out as much as I want but as soon as I add it to the layered pattern and cut that out I violate the pattern copyright law, that is correct isn't it ?? Don't worry my brain is already crazy as it is, this has actually taken me to a new level of thinking as I in a sense thought that a free pattern was a free pattern that I could do as I pleased with it. AS I Understand copyright law, it is not a copyright violation to modify the pattern and add it to your layered pattern. You just can not share your layered pattern with others (like my example). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJunky Posted April 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 You just can not share your layered pattern with others (like my example). by this you mean I cannot share it as a free pattern but can I show it as a work in progress or display it in a user gallery for others to view Thanks Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 If you are keeping a project for yourself, you can make a copy for your own sole use. You can't give away the pattern or cutting as a gift or sell it. You can only post the finished cutting in your User Gallery. Please don't post the WIP of your pattern design if you are using copyrighted material. People will be able to piece together the pattern for themselves which defeats the purpose of not posting copyrighted material. It can turn ugly really quick. Not only is it in bad form, but you become liable for copyright infringement. And as the operator of this website, I become liable too. Besides, we need to respect the rights of our fellow artists, no matter what medium they work in. I hope this clears things up a bit. Copyright laws can be a bit fuzzy at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoodJunky Posted April 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thanks Travis for your reply and it looks like I will do this as a pattern only and if I do cut it out I will place it in the user gallery You are definately right in saying "Copyright laws can be a bit fuzzy at times" Brendan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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