kmmcrafts Posted November 11, 2022 Report Share Posted November 11, 2022 Lasted just over two years.. I hooked it up back when I rebuilt the Excalibur in 2020.. 299.9 hours on the hour meter since rebuilt when the smoke roll out of the vacuum today.. LOL.. I might have to give one of these DeWalt Quiet vacuums a try to see how that works.. Certainly forgot how much sawdust I make but was inconveniently reminded when I stood up after finishing the puzzle I was making and my whole lap was covered in sawdust, TexasDIY, scrollingforsanity, ChelCass and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) Your own fault Kevin, You should never, let the smoke out: Edited November 12, 2022 by John B Scroll-N-Skydiver, kmmcrafts, TexasDIY and 4 others 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 I have another Metro vac that I bought for like $24 on ebay as a new "open box" one.. same vac but the exhaust end on the Seyco has a longer end cap on it and it's stuffed with foam to make it quieter.. I may hook that one up to the saw until I get more time to figure out what I'm going to do... I like that it's small and moreless self contained to the saw.. I've done a quick look on eBay and may just purchase another one of them when one pops up at a good deal like my spare one.. I also looked into metro vac parts and they have replacement motors etc.. Looks like I could build the whole thing for around $50-60.. and everything would be new other than the metal canister, LOL.. Heck of a lot cheaper than a new larger vac that takes up more shop space.. scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rash_powder Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 I'm not sure if MetroVac says this in their instructions, but those vac motors have carbon brushes in them and they do wear out. I can't imagine they are more than $20 a set and not terrible difficult to replace once the motor is exposed. OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preprius Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 14 hours ago, John B said: Your own fault Kevin, You should never, let the smoke out: It is really difficult to put the smoke back in. scrollingforsanity, John B and OCtoolguy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 12, 2022 Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 17 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: I have another Metro vac that I bought for like $24 on ebay as a new "open box" one.. same vac but the exhaust end on the Seyco has a longer end cap on it and it's stuffed with foam to make it quieter.. I may hook that one up to the saw until I get more time to figure out what I'm going to do... I like that it's small and moreless self contained to the saw.. I've done a quick look on eBay and may just purchase another one of them when one pops up at a good deal like my spare one.. I also looked into metro vac parts and they have replacement motors etc.. Looks like I could build the whole thing for around $50-60.. and everything would be new other than the metal canister, LOL.. Heck of a lot cheaper than a new larger vac that takes up more shop space.. Kev, take the muffler out of it and it will last longer. I posted about using an OJ bottle to quiet mine down. It works great with no back pressure. kmmcrafts and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 12, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, OCtoolguy said: Kev, take the muffler out of it and it will last longer. I posted about using an OJ bottle to quiet mine down. It works great with no back pressure. Honestly don't think it was caused by back pressure from the muffler. It has a dust separator that came with it but it still gets plenty of fine dust in the dust bag. Me being cheap I ordered some bags off ebay but they are crap paper bags compared to what came from Seyco. The paper rips very easily and sometimes just putting them in they get torn.. The back of the vac was full of fine sawdust.. I change the bag and blow compressed air through it on a regular basis but I think my replacement will never see one of those paper bags.. I'm going to order some from Ray again. For me they don't last real long because while they don't "fill up" with dust they get a fine somewhat thick layer throughout the bag and thus restricts the air flow. I've mentioned in the past about the Vac getting louder and having to change the bag and clean out the vac with compressed air to make it run quiet again... About every week for me.. others might get a month or so but this should be checked regularly if you have this set-up.. could be a fire hazard too.. as the way the vac is made the air flows past the motor to cool it ( I assume ) and that fine dust gets back in around that motor.. that dust doesn't take much to ignite.. Honestly contemplating just getting a good vac made for this like that new DeWalt that was brought up a while back or a Festool.. I looked at the Festools today as we made a trip to the lumber store and they carry them. Edited November 12, 2022 by kmmcrafts scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: Honestly don't think it was caused by back pressure from the muffler. It has a dust separator that came with it but it still gets plenty of fine dust in the dust bag. Me being cheap I ordered some bags off ebay but they are crap paper bags compared to what came from Seyco. The paper rips very easily and sometimes just putting them in they get torn.. The back of the vac was full of fine sawdust.. I change the bag and blow compressed air through it on a regular basis but I think my replacement will never see one of those paper bags.. I'm going to order some from Ray again. For me they don't last real long because while they don't "fill up" with dust they get a fine somewhat thick layer throughout the bag and thus restricts the air flow. I've mentioned in the past about the Vac getting louder and having to change the bag and clean out the vac with compressed air to make it run quiet again... About every week for me.. others might get a month or so but this should be checked regularly if you have this set-up.. could be a fire hazard too.. as the way the vac is made the air flows past the motor to cool it ( I assume ) and that fine dust gets back in around that motor.. that dust doesn't take much to ignite.. Honestly contemplating just getting a good vac made for this like that new DeWalt that was brought up a while back or a Festool.. I looked at the Festools today as we made a trip to the lumber store and they carry them. Yeah, it was the heat build-up that I was thinking about. So far, my setup has worked out great but I don't cut anywhere near as much as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 Not to change the subject but I have a question dealing with this subject. I have read several time that shop vacuums are not made to be run a for long periods of time. Hence not good for dust collection purposes. Yet I also read of a lot of people using them. I guess the question is are shopvacs appropriate to use as as dust collectors? OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 Probably depends a lot on the quality of the vac. I would think it would be the start/stop cycling that might kill them. I'm thinking scrolling here with a demand switch. For just using as a dust control where it will be running for hours, not sure. There again the quality of the unit and how the dust is handled. As long as there is good airflow it should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 I've always kind of wondered the same thing Paul... I've read in the pash about the shop vacs melting or catching fire yet I see a lot of folks using them, LOL. I myself used one for a couple months on my Excalibur to use on the dust port.. Worked really well.. so much so that I'm thinking I might go back to that set up but using a quiet DeWalt, Fein, Festool type quiet vac. I hated the noise from the shop vac.. To change the subject some more.. I had both my systems ( Seyco vac and Shop Vac ) set up to come on / off with the foot switch ( not both vacs at the same time but that's how I set up the shop vac and when I got the Seyco I did the same ) but I've read a couple times that could be hard on the foot switch and or scroll saw or vac.. Should one have these hooked through the foot switch or not? Seyco vac comes with the items to hook up that way and they are lower powered vacs than a large shop vac. so maybe the Seyco is safe for that but would a actual shop vac be safe to do like that? I'm actually leaning toward the Festool as it comes set up with a power outlet to come on with the machine.. Maybe Fien does as well? Interesting topic. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 I had a fein hooked up that way and the motor sizzled and smoked after 3year and 3 month of use, I often thought that the constant on and off of fret work contributed to that. Could be wrong, but if I ever get that set up again, I will not set it up to go on and off with the machine. The fein did come to hooked up that way. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Fengstad Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 It would not surprise me if the Metro Vac and the Seyco Vac are one and the same. My Seyco vac played out with in 3 years. It steadly got louder with time. I now use an old shop vac that is as loud as could possibly be so I enclosed it and added sound reducing ceiling tiles All this was found material that was being thrown out. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 13, 2022 Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 I've got both of my Metrovacs plugged in so they come on with the saw. So far, so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, Norm Fengstad said: It would not surprise me if the Metro Vac and the Seyco Vac are one and the same. My Seyco vac played out with in 3 years. It steadly got louder with time. I now use an old shop vac that is as loud as could possibly be so I enclosed it and added sound reducing ceiling tiles All this was found material that was being thrown out. They are the same, I have a Seyco vac that I bought new from Ray 2 years ago.. that's the one that fried.. and it says MetroVac right on it.. I also bought a MetroVac from eBay New Open Box and it's exactly like the Seyco one with one exception.. the back of the one from eBay just has a end cap on it and the end cap on the Seyco is about 6" long and lined with some kind of black colored foam.. I assume for sound deadening as it is quieter that the ebay model.. same model but shorter and louder. My Seyco would get loud too.. take the bag out of it and go outside and use compressed air to blow the fine caked up sawdust out of it..put back in and quiet again for a while.. Also a good idea to take that back portion off and blow the dust out of the foam now and then.. while it comes with a dust deputy and has the bag / filter.. dust still escapes all that and gets caked up around the motor and that foam muffler thing.. I suspect this to be what fried mine.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharleyL Posted November 14, 2022 Report Share Posted November 14, 2022 Putting a Dust Deputy, or similar in the line between the saw and vac will eliminate almost all of the sawdust from the air going through the vacuum and the air filter in the vac won't plug up, so full cooling air through the motor all the time, and not gradually reducing as the filter plugs. Keeping a large amount of air flowing through the motor will keep it cooler and less likely to burn up. Checking the brush wear often is a needed chore too. Charley OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, CharleyL said: Putting a Dust Deputy, or similar in the line between the saw and vac will eliminate almost all of the sawdust from the air going through the vacuum and the air filter in the vac won't plug up, so full cooling air through the motor all the time, and not gradually reducing as the filter plugs. Keeping a large amount of air flowing through the motor will keep it cooler and less likely to burn up. Checking the brush wear often is a needed chore too. Charley The Seyco kit comes with a Dust Deputy on it.. I'm not sure the system is up to "production style task" that I put it through for the last two years.. This is what I had and what burned up.. https://www.seyco.com/dv-10a-cyclonic-action-scroll-saw-dust-collector/ Dust does escape the Dust Deputy and lines the bag which doubles as the filter... I did throw a lot of work at that thing and would have to clean it out at least once a week.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted November 14, 2022 Report Share Posted November 14, 2022 8 hours ago, CharleyL said: Keeping a large amount of air flowing through the motor will keep it cooler and less likely to burn up. The air used to suck up the dust is not used to cool the motor. The motor has a separate fan for cooling. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 24, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 Well, almost 4 months later, Seyco just replied to my email.. though they didn't answer any of my questions.. they only asked if they ever replied to my message and if things was resolved, LOL.. I just threw that vacuum out in the trash can last week, .. figures.. Not that they was probably going to work with me anyway since it was out of warranty I think. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted February 24, 2023 Report Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) WOW! I have always received good response for Seyco, hope nothing has happened to Ray. This is not good to read! I wanted to ask Advance Machinery a question yesterday, not important so I tried to email them using the email address in their contacts section. It is addressed to Wolfgang, I know he has pasts but thought someone else would respond. All I receive is invalid email address message. I ticks me off when companies do not keep things like that current. Edited February 24, 2023 by Scrappile OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 25, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 I have seen some on the FB groups saying they messaged and hadn’t gotten a reply back after a week and have seen a bit more of that going on with them. Hopefully it’s just a small setback they had or something but who knows. If I was really pressed for an answer I’d have called them, sometimes emails don’t go through right away. Had a friend email me something and a few days later ask me why I didn’t answer and I never got the email, funny thing is, that email came in about 8 months later. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 I have never got a response to an email. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Fengstad Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 I phoned Seyco about six weeks ago didn't recognize the voice but did get my question answered. I have their scroll saw , scrollers drill and did have the dust collector until it died about 3 years of use. Maybe I will try an e-mail just for kicks OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 Ray is not working in the shop now. He works from home. That is what he told me. So how did I get him on the phone? I called when they were closed and left a voicemail. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 25, 2023 Report Share Posted February 25, 2023 7 hours ago, BadBob said: I have never got a response to an email. I've had excellent response from Advanced Machinery (Hegner) and also when contacting Wen customer service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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