BadBob Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 This turned up on my local Craigslist, and I am trying to figure out what it is. The posts are pretty bad. I do wish they had put better model numbers on these. scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgman Posted February 18, 2023 Report Share Posted February 18, 2023 It says right on the Tag. It’s a 220 VS. OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 It looks like a fairly late 220VS. Ultra? Not a bad looking saw. How much? BadBob and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 It's a 220VS ( Variable Speed ) 20" saw which is the "Ultra" version.. Guessing on the serial number and the logo used on the uprights I think it's probably a year 2000 or newer.. Has the added side table option.. BadBob, OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 Ultra was what I was looking for. How can you tell the age from the serial number? On the Bushton site there are four 220VS manuals listed. When I look at the manuals for these they all seem to have the round bottom clamp in the illustrated parts break down, but the text in the manual contrdicts this saying that the lower clamp is T-Shaped. When did they stop using the round clamps? OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 41 minutes ago, BadBob said: Ultra was what I was looking for. How can you tell the age from the serial number? On the Bushton site there are four 220VS manuals listed. When I look at the manuals for these they all seem to have the round bottom clamp in the illustrated parts break down, but the text in the manual contrdicts this saying that the lower clamp is T-Shaped. When did they stop using the round clamps? I've just looked at a lot of them and called Bushton a million times asking for info on the saws, LOL You are correct though as I was thinking the 226VS on the serial number and they have a total different series for the 220VS.. That said, that logo at the back of the saw is a newer style logo than any of my saws have other than my new saw of coarse, LOL.. I'm not exactly sure when they stopped the round clamps.. but I know they had the T clamp ( Ultra ) style in 1996.. I had a 1993 220VS with round clamps so sometime between there is when the Ultra came out.. To be honest I think 1996 was the first year of the Ultra as I have not seen any older than that.. but I'm really guessing since I'm just basing on what I've seen and read online.. Rolf claims he bought his G4 when they first hit the market in 2005 so I'm guessing that was the ending of the Ultra... However, I've never seen a 20" G4 saw.. SO they might have ran the Ultra style on the 20" saw up until the new BM series came out around 2010-12 ish.. OR maybe the only option at that time was only a 26" saw.. Hawk wasn't and still isn't good at updating the manuals.. They used up their supplies before changing, LOL.. and even then they were less than desirable.. same with stickers they put on the saws.. I wouldn't doubt there could be G4 saws out there with serial tags and stickers for a Ultra.. Yet they seem good at knowing the type and year of saw based on serial number.. LOL.. scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 (edited) So I need to call Bushton and ask them about the serial number. The saw is too far away to take a look. Edited February 19, 2023 by BadBob scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BadBob said: So I need to call Bushton and ask them about the serial number. The saw is too far away to take a look. Yes, they can give you much more info on it.. If they've done any upgrades to it they'd have that recorded too. BadBob, scrollingforsanity and OCtoolguy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 42 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said: Yes, they can give you much more info on it.. If they've done any upgrades to it they'd have that recorded too. Thanks, OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 looks like a good saw. if you ask the owner what brand of motor it has it would be easier to tell the date of manufacture. i have a chart from another site i was on that shows what years the various brand motors were used. not exact but a good timeline. is the seller reasonable on the price? OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadBob Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, DME72 said: looks like a good saw. if you ask the owner what brand of motor it has it would be easier to tell the date of manufacture. i have a chart from another site i was on that shows what years the various brand motors were used. not exact but a good timeline. is the seller reasonable on the price? I'll do that if he ever gets back to me. OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmansbike Posted February 20, 2023 Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 That looks identical to the one I bought several years ago. It was made in 1999 and had a serial number 34@@@ so it’s probably made around 2000. Just my guess. I think all the vs models had the square clamps. OCtoolguy and scrollingforsanity 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 11 hours ago, Oldmansbike said: That looks identical to the one I bought several years ago. It was made in 1999 and had a serial number 34@@@ so it’s probably made around 2000. Just my guess. I think all the vs models had the square clamps. All the VS models are Variable Speed.. what the VS means on the tag.. My old 220VS was a round clamp saw.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmansbike Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: All the VS models are Variable Speed.. what the VS means on the tag.. My old 220VS was a round clamp saw.. My 96 226vs has the square clamps and I thought those were the first vs models. Learn something new every day kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DME72 Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 only the new ultra saws had the square clamps, as far as i have seen. these saws are built to use, and will last many years with some basic maintenance. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted February 21, 2023 Report Share Posted February 21, 2023 From what I recall on my 226 Ultra, if there are a couple of small holes (about 1/8") in the upper are on the right hand side, that is where you mount the square clamp for loading blades and tightening the set screws. If those holes aren't there I'd think it means round clamps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted February 22, 2023 Report Share Posted February 22, 2023 It'd be nice when people are selling these used Hawk saws if they'd take photos of the clamps or at least the lower arm where the clamps go.. Very seldom do I find one for sale that actually takes photos of the clamps and or the lower arm.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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