First Scroll Saw

[KenofShelby]

Never heard of King.  

 

KMM,, I’m going to pass on your RBI,  let me know if you decide to sell another saw.

Those two on Facebook…one of them is a 6 hour round trip,,,, the other is possible.

 

Howver, I’m going to wait until after Wednesday. I am going to both Harbor Freight ad Home Depot…Perhaps seeing the actual saws in person might help me decide 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

if you are looking at the Dewalt and the HF Bauer, they are 2 different saw designs so be aware of this. You are not comparing apples with apples. yes they have double link cutting arms but look at table size. Look at tilting arm as opposed to tilting table and it may not come into play in your mind now but can later. Look at ease of arm raising. Look at room under the table for blade changing and how easy it is to do. Play with each machine. Look at warrenty. look at any other options given. Look at ease of blade tightening system. Good luck

[KenofShelby]

Thank you for your advice,,, I will take it into consideration,  I notice that the Bauer has a tilting head, not a tilting table.  Does this make a difference?

Reviews of the Bauer compare it favorably to the Dewalt??

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

15 minutes ago, KenofShelby said:

Thank you for your advice,,, I will take it into consideration,  I notice that the Bauer has a tilting head, not a tilting table.  Does this make a difference?

Reviews of the Bauer compare it favorably to the Dewalt??

My opinion is probably worthless because I do very little bevel cutting. The big difference is with a tilting arm the cutting piece is always laying flat and you do not have to worry about it sliding off as you cut. Just one less thing to think about when doing bevel cuts. Back in my day when I was buying saws this option was not available so I learned on a tilting table top. I made it work well. I use to cut those collapsible baskets/ trivets and they needed bevel cutting of the rings. I made many of those. I would say if I were buying today I would like the tilting arm better. Then there are some scroller that never done bevel cutting and have no idea what the difference is. Try both and you will see first hand what it looks like. Now I do not want to sway you with your choice . As many people know me here and know I am not a fan of HF power tools of any kind. they can brand them with any name they want but to me they are cheap price for a reason. But with that said their warrenty is far better than that of Dewalt or the store you buy it from. Dewalt has been around a long time. The Bauer saw is brand new and no reviews worth anything are out yet. Tough choice but just stating facts. I am sure either saw will give you a great scrolling experience. others can chime in. Both saws land in the mid range area of scrollsaw evaluations. and price range.

Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN

[kmmcrafts]

Was just at HF and they finally had the saw on display.. Pretty impressive looking saw.. I do think the frame and some of the structure was thinner lighter metal and there was more plastic cover maybe than what the "other" similar saws have.. The table was huge and pretty impressive to be honest and was actually thicker steel than my Ex table.. Probably where all the weight of this saw come in from as the rest of it looked thinner and cheaper in my opinion.. either case it's still a hard to beat price and looks to be of good enough quality for the price.. 

[Scrappile]

A few months from now, you are going to be wishing you had bought that Seyco.  It would be worth a 6-hour trip to me at that price.  Just a nice day drive.

[OCtoolguy]

2 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

My opinion is probably worthless because I do very little bevel cutting. The big difference is with a tilting arm the cutting piece is always laying flat and you do not have to worry about it sliding off as you cut. Just one less thing to think about when doing bevel cuts. Back in my day when I was buying saws this option was not available so I learned on a tilting table top. I made it work well. I use to cut those collapsible baskets/ trivets and they needed bevel cutting of the rings. I made many of those. I would say if I were buying today I would like the tilting arm better. Then there are some scroller that never done bevel cutting and have no idea what the difference is. Try both and you will see first hand what it looks like. Now I do not want to sway you with your choice . As many people know me here and know I am not a fan of HF power tools of any kind. they can brand them with any name they want but to me they are cheap price for a reason. But with that said their warrenty is far better than that of Dewalt or the store you buy it from. Dewalt has been around a long time. The Bauer saw is brand new and no reviews worth anything are out yet. Tough choice but just stating facts. I am sure either saw will give you a great scrolling experience. others can chime in. Both saws land in the mid range area of scrollsaw evaluations. and price range.

J.T. H/F has one owner. No share holders so they can sell for less and still make money. I think they are a great company and have come a long way in quality and offerings. 

[KenofShelby]

Scrappile,, I do like the Seyco..Unforunaately I don’t use Facebook,  if someone coiuld get the sellers contact into for me, I would sure appreciate it,

 

[kmmcrafts]

That Seyco saw is about an 1:30 minutes southwest from me I think. That would be my saw of choice too honestly.. Never know he may meet up halfway or something too..

Both saws are made in the same factory but there are differences.. The Seyco has a larger table top but the King in my opinion has a better angle rack and pinion set up.. South Haven is a bit closer to you I think too. Either way they're both great saws. 

 

[KenofShelby]

Kim,,, I can’t figure how to contact him,,, I don’t use Facebook/

[kmmcrafts]

DeWalt saws are currently on sale too so that is something to consider.. $399.99.. if scroll sawing isn't for you... used ones sell for that price fairly easy.. They really are the best bang for the buck when getting into the hobby because of the resale if sawing isn't for you.. just another thought.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-20-in-Variable-Speed-Scroll-Saw-DW788/203070202?source=shoppingads&locale=en-US&srsltid=AfmBOoqN2RuidgdaC1fuGs1MPk3yBwNUm7-gKBr8rRJnqevk-kLlXYKI4Io

Do you have any family or friends that use Facebook that'd send the seller your info or collect info from seller for you? Just do note that I believe it's against FB terms of use to ask for phone numbers and other personal info.. they want you to communicate through FB for deals in case a deal goes sour they have all the info between the two parties if messages are done on the platform.. 

[KenofShelby]

My daughter uses Facebook… I’ll ask her tomorrow, and see what she can find,

[KenofShelby]

Alright,  Which would you go with>>>. The used Seyco, or a new Dewalt????

[kmmcrafts]

The Seyco is a much better saw than the Dewalt... for instance, the Seyco upper arm lifts up out of the way when changing blades and feeding blades.. DeWalt does too but you have to hold the arm up with one hand while trying to feed balde with other and or get a device to hold the arm up while you feed the blade through a hole with both hands. The Seyco are you lift up and it'll stay up on it's own until you pull it back down. 

The Seyco you can rotate the motor via slots and screws which will adjust the blade position for a more or less agressive of a cut.. DeWalt some of the others do not have that option...Seyco has great customer service and Ray or Mike will walk you through repair diagnostics etc right over the phone with you. Rarely any customer support from other brands.. Other than Hawk and Hegner.. Pegas and Jet have decent customer support depending on who you contact. 

Anyway between the Seyco and the DeWalt.. Seyco hands down is the better option.. 

Look at the price of a brand new Seyco.. https://seyco.com/product/seyco-st-21-swing-tilt-scroll-saw-allow-1-week-for-shipping/ it's higher priced because it has better features etc.. in the land of scroll saws you really do kinda get what you pay for when looking at new saws.. this is why I always suggest looking at quality used.. That 1998 Hawk I have brand new back in 98 was $1200.. My new one back in 2018 was over $1700.. Bushton Manufacturing recently raised the prices and those BM series Hawk saws now are close to $2000 now I think, not cheap saws but they're made more for commercial type use and they have a lot of the bells and whistles so to speak that the entree and mid level saws lack. 

Maybe some others will chime in on the two saws as well.. Everyone has a bit of different opinions of various saws.. This is my take on the two. 

Since you're new to the scroll saw world it might be good to look up some various brand and reviews from real users on YouTube, many of the YouTube videos will show how to change blades and other useful tips and tricks. Steve Good has quite a few saw reviews on his blog.. just do a search for steve good scroll saw blog.. tons of info and also many many free project patterns etc. 

 

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

6 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

J.T. H/F has one owner. No share holders so they can sell for less and still make money. I think they are a great company and have come a long way in quality and offerings. 

Your opinion my friend You can not sell me so do not try it. Have fun. Non motor stuff is fine but anything with a motor is all yours. I put them in the old Black and Decker catagory. If anyone remembers Black and Decker tools. 

[KenofShelby]

Whew,, I just looked at Steve Good’s you tube,  very interesting, and it also opened up a whole world of scroll saw videos,,,

could spend hours there,,, learning 

[Jim McDonald]

2 hours ago, KenofShelby said:

 

could spend hours there,,, learning 

Welcome to the world of scrolling where we just continue to dig, thinking we will find the bottom of the hole.

[OCtoolguy]

13 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said:

Your opinion my friend You can not sell me so do not try it. Have fun. Non motor stuff is fine but anything with a motor is all yours. I put them in the old Black and Decker catagory. If anyone remembers Black and Decker tools. 

Baskin Robbin, 31 flavors. Something for everyone.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

2 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

Baskin Robbin, 31 flavors. Something for everyone.

Rocky Road here. Dairy Queen is my choice. See we can not even agree on ice cream shop. 

[KenofShelby]

Country Dairy,,, local cows.

[kmmcrafts]

Mooville and Hudsonville is my brands.. the Mooville farm where they have the cows and where they process the milk and ice cream is just up the road from us so we can get it fresh from the source.. and they are hormone free cattle and don't add all the garbage to it that most places do..

[rjweb]

Thx, now i want a banna split sundae, RJ

[barb.j.enders]

Fascinating thread.  Amazing how far off topic it goes.

Local BDI for ice cream (Bridge Drive Inn).  Brandied Peach Upside down, please.  An upside down is a very thick milkshake handed to you upside down.

[JTTHECLOCKMAN]

1 hour ago, barb.j.enders said:

Fascinating thread.  Amazing how far off topic it goes.

Local BDI for ice cream (Bridge Drive Inn).  Brandied Peach Upside down, please.  An upside down is a very thick milkshake handed to you upside down.

Yea we drifted off course but this happens when you beat a dead horse too much. I like the ice cream touch. 

[KenofShelby]

Country Dairy always comes out with Peppermint Stick’ ice cream for Christmas….Real Peppermint sticks broken up in the ice cream…And the sticks are grown in local orchards….