Hudson River Rick Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 I was looking through my mail on my computer, and this scroll saw popped up. I know of the BAILEIGH TOOLS name, an aquaintence of mine has one of their bandsaws, it's a monster. I was not aware of them making smaller shop tools. I may be in the markey for a new saw, looks INTERESTING. https://baileigh.com/woodworking/wood-machinery-specials/bss-22-22-scroll-saw?utm_source=email&utm_medium=3p Rick OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgman Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 It looks like a Jet Saw clone. Bottom feeding only. Otherwise, it looks good! OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 15 Report Share Posted November 15 Yeah, I seen this a while back when searching for something else.. I've never heard of the brand.. but it looks to me like a rebranded Jet 22" saw... OR a possible Chinese knock off.. I'd be curious where it's made.. IF rebranded Jet then this is a good deal as I believe the 22" Jet runs around $1000 or $1100.. I personally don't like the 22" Jet model because of the very little table surface in front of the blade.. However I have considered the 18" Jet as it has around 4" in front of the blade.. if memory serves right I think the 22" only has 3 inch in front of the blade. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCtoolguy Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 2 hours ago, Hudson River Rick said: I was looking through my mail on my computer, and this scroll saw popped up. I know of the BAILEIGH TOOLS name, an aquaintence of mine has one of their bandsaws, it's a monster. I was not aware of them making smaller shop tools. I may be in the markey for a new saw, looks INTERESTING. https://baileigh.com/woodworking/wood-machinery-specials/bss-22-22-scroll-saw?utm_source=email&utm_medium=3p Rick I never heard of this brand. I'd stay away from anything that obscure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 2 hours ago, Hudson River Rick said: I was looking through my mail on my computer, and this scroll saw popped up. I know of the BAILEIGH TOOLS name, an aquaintence of mine has one of their bandsaws, it's a monster. I was not aware of them making smaller shop tools. I may be in the markey for a new saw, looks INTERESTING. https://baileigh.com/woodworking/wood-machinery-specials/bss-22-22-scroll-saw?utm_source=email&utm_medium=3p Rick You might want to take a look at the newer Grizzly saw as grizzly has their Christmas sale going on right now.. It's basically the same as a Pegas, King, Excalibur type saw with a bigger table etc. Someone in another post said it's made in the same place as those others as well but that is only what I've read and have no hard evidence of it so I'd check on that first.. https://www.grizzly.com/products/grizzly-21-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-pedal/g0969 OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 (edited) They are a USA company out of Wisconsin. They started in 1999. They are well known in metal and woodworking world of tools. All their tools are made in the USA including that scrollsaw. I would buy this one over Bauer or Grizzly if looking for that type saw. Cheap is not always the point of purchase. Easy to get parts here. https://www.toolsadvisor.org/where-are-baileigh-tools-made/ Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Well, in the link it said: Quote Baileigh Tools is an American company headquartered in Manitowoc, Wisconsin. This means that the majority of their products are made in the United States. They have a state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in Wisconsin, where their team of highly skilled professionals designs and produces their impressive lineup of machinery and equipment. While they do have some international locations, they still maintain a strong commitment to American-made products. This resonates with consumers who value products made in the USA. By ensuring that their products are made in America, Baileigh Tools can offer superior quality and reliability to their customers. I'll go out on a limb and say that saw is made in the same Taiwan factory that the Jet, King, Pegas, Grizzly, and etc are made.. This looks just exactly like a rebranded Jet to me.. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/jet-22-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-switch-1-ph-120v-jwss-22b?variant=43401545580682&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAouG5BhDBARIsAOc08RTmkC-4lxo_oaLCraV9ERdfFXdtZF9Zg8fS4eRs6FAsvrGHg7cxKBoaAmcREALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I'm not knocking the quality, just merely pointing out that I have strong doubts this is actually made in the USA.. The Jet saw has proven to be a good saw as is those others have also.. your money buy what you want but you're getting basically the same saw as most of these other brands. Each have slightly different tables and dust port etc but the guts of the saw is they same thing in my believe.. While buying this is supporting a local USA business.. but then again.. Buy Pegas from Denny and your doing the same so there is that bag of worms too.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjweb Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 I have had a 22 inch jet for about 8 years when they first came out, like it very much, no problems, ( knock on wood ), but i don't use it every day like others, RJ OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: Well, in the link it said: I'll go out on a limb and say that saw is made in the same Taiwan factory that the Jet, King, Pegas, Grizzly, and etc are made.. This looks just exactly like a rebranded Jet to me.. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/jet-22-variable-speed-scroll-saw-with-foot-switch-1-ph-120v-jwss-22b?variant=43401545580682&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAouG5BhDBARIsAOc08RTmkC-4lxo_oaLCraV9ERdfFXdtZF9Zg8fS4eRs6FAsvrGHg7cxKBoaAmcREALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds I'm not knocking the quality, just merely pointing out that I have strong doubts this is actually made in the USA.. The Jet saw has proven to be a good saw as is those others have also.. your money buy what you want but you're getting basically the same saw as most of these other brands. Each have slightly different tables and dust port etc but the guts of the saw is they same thing in my believe.. While buying this is supporting a local USA business.. but then again.. Buy Pegas from Denny and your doing the same so there is that bag of worms too.. Well now I did a little more digging and it seems that that company has been sold and is now part of the JPW industries which makes Jets stuff and many others. So it could very well be a clone off assembly line in Tawain. The first link I posted has no date on it so they started out with good intentions but $$$ took over. https://shoptoolreviews.com/news/jpw-industries-acquires-baileigh-industrial/35648/ I read this https://www.toolsadvisor.org/where-is-baileigh-equipment-made/ Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 Humm. Are they made in America or assembled in America? I have always assumed their tools were made in other countries. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Scrappile said: Humm. Are they made in America or assembled in America? I have always assumed their tools were made in other countries. It was when they first started out made in the USA all tools. I know this for fact because they use to come to woodworking shows and sell their products and touted the fact they were USA made. I remember when they first hit the scene. The link I first supplied stated that. The second link shows that the company was sold to JPW tools so they can now be made anywhere. As mentioned it looks exactly like a Jet with a different paint job. Same price range too. best I can find. Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN Scrappile and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 18 hours ago, Hudson River Rick said: I was looking through my mail on my computer, and this scroll saw popped up. I know of the BAILEIGH TOOLS name, an aquaintence of mine has one of their bandsaws, it's a monster. I was not aware of them making smaller shop tools. I may be in the markey for a new saw, looks INTERESTING. https://baileigh.com/woodworking/wood-machinery-specials/bss-22-22-scroll-saw?utm_source=email&utm_medium=3p Rick https://baileigh.com/woodworking/ OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 I don't care where it's made, it's the same saw as the Jet 22" saw which is a dam good saw.. Jet seems to be the only one nowadays that sell individual parts so if a bearing goes bad you don't have to buy the whole link arm assembly for over $130.. you can just buy a $10 bearing to replace the bad one..This saw design had one set of bearings in the inside of the saws that take a lot of the beating and that one is always the culprit in my experience.. while the others may be getting some slop.. they could go for another round or two especially if you regreased while it's apart for the bad bearing.. My complaint of the 22" is the short distance of table support in front of the blade.. The 18" saw would be my choice.. The Grizzly saw comes out of the same factory with a much larger table and much better price.. That is where I would get my next saw from if I was looking to buy this style of saw new. It seems to have the adjustable slotted motor mount where you adjust the blade aggression and it has that huge table.. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 (edited) 43 minutes ago, kmmcrafts said: I don't care where it's made, it's the same saw as the Jet 22" saw which is a dam good saw.. Jet seems to be the only one nowadays that sell individual parts so if a bearing goes bad you don't have to buy the whole link arm assembly for over $130.. you can just buy a $10 bearing to replace the bad one..This saw design had one set of bearings in the inside of the saws that take a lot of the beating and that one is always the culprit in my experience.. while the others may be getting some slop.. they could go for another round or two especially if you regreased while it's apart for the bad bearing.. My complaint of the 22" is the short distance of table support in front of the blade.. The 18" saw would be my choice.. The Grizzly saw comes out of the same factory with a much larger table and much better price.. That is where I would get my next saw from if I was looking to buy this style of saw new. It seems to have the adjustable slotted motor mount where you adjust the blade aggression and it has that huge table.. If the saw was American made would make a huge difference. Especially for parts and spending money here in USA so it does make a difference. Unfortunately tools made in the USA are a thing of the past. $$$ controls supply's. Maybe this company has a good handle on parts too. You just do not hear much about their scrollsaws. Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrappile Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 @JTTHECLOCKMAN Okay, my bad, I got confused (Which happens more and more frequently). I thought we were referring to Griizzy tools for some reason. Guess my mind was stuck in some other thread. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Scrappile said: @JTTHECLOCKMAN Okay, my bad, I got confused (Which happens more and more frequently). I thought we were referring to Griizzy tools for some reason. Guess my mind was stuck in some other thread. Not sure what you are talking about because I am sure you heard of Grizzly tools. This company started out more in the metal working tools and industrial sized. probably when they got bought out they switched to home owner tools. I know when they were at woodworking shows they showed large tools such as bandsaws and things like that. 25 years in the tool business is not that long. https://www.toolsadvisor.org/where-are-grizzly-tools-made/ Edited November 16 by JTTHECLOCKMAN OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmmcrafts Posted November 16 Report Share Posted November 16 1 hour ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said: If the saw was American made would make a huge difference. Especially for parts and spending money here in USA so it does make a difference. Unfortunately tools made in the USA are a thing of the past. $$$ controls supply's. Maybe this company has a good handle on parts too. You just do not hear much about their scrollsaws. Well, yes it does matter where it was made.. I wish it was made in the USA but it's not and I knew that.. wasn't going to argue about where it's made... my point was it's the same saw as a Jet.. I've used both the 18" and 22" Jet scroll saws and they have a unique upper blade clamping system with no thumb screws or anything to mess with.. The lower clamp is none other than a round barrel clamp exact same deal RBI Hawk used in the early saws which I've also used.. The upper clamp you just slide the blade into the slot and put the tension lever over.. it tensions and clamps at the same time with the one lever.. pretty neat set up.. Good quality saw.. and if one doesn't like that round clamp or the upper one you can put the Pegas chucks on it and have the same as all those other saws in a different color.. Way better saw than the HF China made saw or the newer China made Excalibur. My reason for knowing it was the same saw is Jet has a patent on that upper blade chuck mechanism.. or maybe it has ran out of the patent timeline.. but since it is identical other than color I would think they wouldn't go through with all the tooling etc.. to exactly copy Jets saw especially when there was a patent on the clamp. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 5 hours ago, kmmcrafts said: Well, yes it does matter where it was made.. I wish it was made in the USA but it's not and I knew that.. wasn't going to argue about where it's made... my point was it's the same saw as a Jet.. I've used both the 18" and 22" Jet scroll saws and they have a unique upper blade clamping system with no thumb screws or anything to mess with.. The lower clamp is none other than a round barrel clamp exact same deal RBI Hawk used in the early saws which I've also used.. The upper clamp you just slide the blade into the slot and put the tension lever over.. it tensions and clamps at the same time with the one lever.. pretty neat set up.. Good quality saw.. and if one doesn't like that round clamp or the upper one you can put the Pegas chucks on it and have the same as all those other saws in a different color.. Way better saw than the HF China made saw or the newer China made Excalibur. My reason for knowing it was the same saw is Jet has a patent on that upper blade chuck mechanism.. or maybe it has ran out of the patent timeline.. but since it is identical other than color I would think they wouldn't go through with all the tooling etc.. to exactly copy Jets saw especially when there was a patent on the clamp. Kevin when I looked for the maker I saw the original link and it said the scrollsaw was made in the USA. I have no idea about patents and all that. After some more digging I saw that they sold out and now make tools around the world so maybe they had another saw before this one and it was USA made. All these saws are clones. kmmcrafts and OCtoolguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelCass Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 The one thing that caught my attention was the built in wrench for changing the blade. Something to consider. OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTTHECLOCKMAN Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChelCass said: The one thing that caught my attention was the built in wrench for changing the blade. Something to consider. It is not a wrench per-se. It is a holder to hold the blade clamp so you can tighten and loosen to change a blade. hegner has this Rbi has this and Jet has this and here is Jets video and is same as the Baeleigh saw. You can preload blades so that you just change entire blade clamp with blade already set in it. Saves time. It is built into the blade holding rack on the edge. Not sure I like where it is mounted but I believe you could make something more accessible pretty easily if you put your mind to it. https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=jet+scrollsaw+instructions&mid=D4EEDBE7466418FBB4AED4EEDBE7466418FBB4AE&FORM=VIRE Edited November 17 by JTTHECLOCKMAN OCtoolguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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