Just curious about Excalibur/Pegas

[OCtoolguy]

Has anybody ever verified, one way or another, will Pegas internal parts interchange with non-Chinese Excalibur saws? I'm referring to Canadian/Taiwanese manufactured saws. @Denny Knappen, anything?

[kmmcrafts]

A few years ago I did a parts list comparison for bearing and sleeve numbers via the manuals for each saw. According to the manuals I looked at they're the same thing inside as far as I could tell. I have not had my hands on a Pegas or a "real" Excalibur to take apart and actually compare them side by side. As you may remember I did buy Excalibur guts from Seyco a few years ago and installed them in my China EX-21 version and everything fit fine except the aluminum pieces that fit into the arm tubes at the front of the saw where the rocker arms connect.. The tubing size was smaller for the China saw so I couldn't use the inserts. I was able to take the rocker arm assemblies apart and install them into my china made parts so those were the same otherwise. 

Be interesting to see if each saw uses the same quality bearings / sleeves.. just because the sizes are listed the same doesn't mean the brand / quality is.. The China saw certainly had cheaper looser bearings in it vrs. the ones that I got from Seyco..  

[OCtoolguy]

I recall that Kevin. What I'm trying to ascertain is all the individual parts. I see no reason to buy assemblies if not needed. I want to buy a complete set of bearings and sleeves just to have them on hand. HAving 2 Ex's, it would be nice insurance and not have to wait on shipping when the time comes. Somebody must have done some research into this at some point. I wrote to General International yesterday but who knows if they will ever answer. Contacting Pegas seems to be impossible too. I'm hoping Denny might have some ideas.

[kmmcrafts]

4 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

I recall that Kevin. What I'm trying to ascertain is all the individual parts. I see no reason to buy assemblies if not needed. I want to buy a complete set of bearings and sleeves just to have them on hand. HAving 2 Ex's, it would be nice insurance and not have to wait on shipping when the time comes. Somebody must have done some research into this at some point. I wrote to General International yesterday but who knows if they will ever answer. Contacting Pegas seems to be impossible too. I'm hoping Denny might have some ideas.

I've been able to easily find bearings as that was how I originally intended to repair my saw but my issue was finding the sleeves. Rolf also ran into that issue when he rebuilt a saw for a friend in their club. The only thing I've ever been able to find individually was bearings from a bearing supplier.. 

What I did find more recently of coarse right after buying that whole assembly was that Jet sells individual parts and appear to be the same sized bearings ( again according to the manual ) and you can buy those sleeves through any dealer that sells Jet parts such as ereplacement parts etc.. Might be something for you to look into more.. as far as I could tell you could get everything through Jet.

 

[Denny Knappen]

I suggest checking with Ray at Seyco.  He sold EX21s and no, also Pegas.  He should be able to help.

[OCtoolguy]

3 hours ago, Denny Knappen said:
I suggest checking with Ray at Seyco.  He sold EX21s and no, also Pegas.  He should be able to help.
It sounds like Jet will be of the most help. It's odd that Pegas has no parts/service available for owners to repair their "out-of-warranty" machines. 

 

[kmmcrafts]

3 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

3 hours ago, Denny Knappen said:
I suggest checking with Ray at Seyco.  He sold EX21s and no, also Pegas.  He should be able to help.
It sounds like Jet will be of the most help. It's odd that Pegas has no parts/service available for owners to repair their "out-of-warranty" machines. 

 

Pegas has parts but not individually, just like seyco and Excalibur you have to replace the whole drive link system as a kit rather than the one or two bearings that are usually the main issue. 
 

Seyco sells the drive link for Pegas saws as does bearwood. But if you just want to order pieces nobody other than Jet has the individual parts unfortunately. 
 

With all that said, back when I was researching for my rebuild the individual parts if buying all bearings and sleeves was more money than just buying the link arms as a whole and then you don’t need to press the old bearings out and the new in etc. Back then I think the assembly was $114 but last I heard it’s more now. 
 

Best thing is if you have a spare saw is to pull one apart and just grease it up good before you need parts.  

[OCtoolguy]

2 hours ago, kmmcrafts said:

Pegas has parts but not individually, just like seyco and Excalibur you have to replace the whole drive link system as a kit rather than the one or two bearings that are usually the main issue. 
 

Seyco sells the drive link for Pegas saws as does bearwood. But if you just want to order pieces nobody other than Jet has the individual parts unfortunately. 
 

With all that said, back when I was researching for my rebuild the individual parts if buying all bearings and sleeves was more money than just buying the link arms as a whole and then you don’t need to press the old bearings out and the new in etc. Back then I think the assembly was $114 but last I heard it’s more now. 
 

Best thing is if you have a spare saw is to pull one apart and just grease it up good before you need parts.  

I've serviced both saws. I'm just trying to be proactive. 

Does the package from Seyco include any sleeves? They seem to be the bug-a-boo. If the bearing fails, chances are good that the sleeve is badly worn too.

[kmmcrafts]

17 hours ago, OCtoolguy said:

I've serviced both saws. I'm just trying to be proactive. 

Does the package from Seyco include any sleeves? They seem to be the bug-a-boo. If the bearing fails, chances are good that the sleeve is badly worn too.

The sleeves are also included.. it comes all assembled other than the one larger bushing and the spacers. That larger bushing and bearing seems to be the one that really gets beat up also seen where the connecting rod part that connects to the motor I've seen some have issues.. Other than that the rest of the bearings always look decent inside the saw.. Now at the front of the saw I see some issues especially with the bearings in the lower arm.. probably from all the fine sawdust falling onto those bearings.. The link assembly doesn't include the parts at the front of the saw.. IF you could get a bushing from Jet.. and some good bearings it might be cheaper option now days.. I see they raised the prices of them on Seyco.. Then again everything went way up so maybe bearings and sleeves are still the way to go.. 

[ScrollerGuy]

I believe the Grizzly G0969 21-inch saw is another Excalibur/Pegas clone and may be a source for parts. The parts page with diagrams for this saw is here: https://www.grizzly.com/products/g0969/parts

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:15 AM by ScrollerGuy
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[kmmcrafts]

22 minutes ago, ScrollerGuy said:

I believe the Grizzly G0969 21-inch saw is another Excalibur/Pegas clone and may be a source for parts. The parts page with diagrams for this saw is here: https://www.grizzly.com/products/g0969/parts

 

They also have a nice individual parts list.. it'd be really nice of some of these other "supposed higher end brands" would put together a parts list and individual purchase options rather than buying the whole guts of the machine because of 1 bearing and one sleeve..  

[OCtoolguy]

Ok, for anybody who has been following this thread and is interested, I just went through the entire parts list along with numbers and sizes etc. between the Excalibur owner's manual and the Jet owner's manual. The list of parts is exactly the same for the basic saws. If Jet changed anything on theirs, I didn't find it. Anyway, the bearings and sleeves appear to be exactly the same for both saws. I found a supplier online for the bearings and I think it is the same supplier that I have had some correspondence with. They are VXB in Los Angeles. Right now, unless my figures are wrong, a person can purchase all the bearings necessary to rebuild their Excalibur saws for $62.67 plus tax and shipping. As for the sleeves, I will have to contact Jet to see what they are going to charge for those parts. I would be surprised if they are going to charge more than Dewalt and probably will charge less. Who knows? I'll try to contact them tomorrow and see. I'll be back, so the saying goes. 

[kmmcrafts]

VBX is where I bought bearings for one of the saws I had rebuilt over the years.. They have some decent quality and also lower grade cheaper in the same sizes.. or at least they used to..

Ray, I looked up on Grizzly for the saw and they have parts list with prices on the site for the Grizzly version.. I do not know for sure if they're the same sizes etc.. but I assume so because they are made in the same place as the Seyco, King, and the others.. Not the place where the new EX's are built.. even those had all the same bearings / sleeves or at least the one I rebuilt did, LOL

Check it out, scroll down for the price list 

https://www.grizzly.com/products/g0969/parts

[OCtoolguy]

Thanks Kev, will do.