Birchbark Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) @TheWoodArtist ^^^^^So he can take all the free patterns from here, and any of the other sites and offer them as free on his site as well??^^^ That seems ok to you? He's just the first person to think of doing that, or others didn't think it was right? Edited January 27, 2014 by Birchbark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Hi guys i have had a few messages about some patterns on my forum. If they are yours and would like them removed or your name added please message me. I had a huge lot of patterns that was from a old site that closed (Free4allscrollsaw) and was asked about uploading afew. I am sorry if it has upset you. Admin@scrollsawforum.com I moderate all first time posts. This came in from the Admin of scrollsawforum.com. I just wanted it to be seen and not lost in this thread because several posts have occurred before this one became visible. TheWoodArtist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWoodArtist Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 @TheWoodArtist ^^^^^So he can take all the free patterns from here, and any of the other sites and offer them as free on his site as well??^^^ That seems ok to you? He's just the first person to think of doing that, or others didn't think it was right? I didn't mean it like that, sorry I wasn't more specific. It happens a lot but for the most part others ask for permission before posting and give credit but there are a few that don't. At least he's trying or so it sounds. I've actually had patterns of someone else that wasn't signed and had them posted on my site by the person that ran my site thinking that b/c they weren't signed were my designs and once it was noticed by myself or the designer it was corrected. Where I see a problem is if after knowing they belong to someone else the person posting them don't do anything either removing it or getting permission to post. I'm not saying I agree with it but then again the free patterns are posted on free pattern sites and in a way they are just reposted to another free site. IF THE DESIGNER DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN THEN EITHER PUT ON THE PATTERN THAT (AS SOME HAVE DONE THAT) OR DON'T POST TO FREE SITES IN THE FIRST PLACE. I could go on and on with this subject as it's the hottest topic on the internet now but what's the use. The only true way to not have this happen is to not post patterns. But as a designer myself, I post them so others can use them. I would like to have credit or asked but being that I post them when I do for free use theirs not really anything that can be done about it unless I pay to have them legally copyrighted which honestly it isn't worth the price to go through all that. If I design a pattern I don't want shared I just don't post it just a finished piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonR Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I don't think it is a witch hunt but I believe it is very wrong to post anothers patterns without getting permission from the owner of the pattern or giving the customary accreditation. This guy took patterns from free4all, removed some of the signatures and posted them as free patterns "posted by admin. In my humble opinion, it would have been common decency to ask the designer of the pattern for permission to post and included accreditation. If he had posted any of mine I would have been pissed!! Don R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I've been watching this thread for a bit now. I think this is a good discussion to be had. Let me weigh in briefly, though. When you design a pattern, you own the copyright (assuming the source material you based your pattern off belongs to you). As a designer, you have the right to control how your pattern is distributed. When someone posts your pattern without you knowledge or consent, it is technically a copyright infringement. This is why SSV has a very strict policy about posting only your own patterns that you specifically created yourself. Otherwise, you open yourself up to a huge legal mess. Pattern makers work really hard to create these wonderful patterns. I've known a number of very talented pattern makers that have removed all their patterns because people were posting them without their consent. There are a number of reasons why a pattern maker wants to control how their patterns are distributed. They like to know who has them. Often times, these patterns are a favor for their friends. Often, they publish their patterns on websites they support. It's a way for them to give back to the community. They want to make sure they receive credit for all their hard work. Credit where credit is due. They love the feedback they get from their patterns. This is often done in the forum threads or comments. This is a way for a scroller to connect with other scrollers. An "atta boy" and a "thanks" is what gives the pattern maker the drive to make more. And lastly, just because the patterns are free, doesn't mean someone isn't making money off them. This can come from commissioned work, patterns for sale, or revenue from advertisements on a website. On a side note. My patterns are only distributed on websites that I own. If you find one of my patterns floating around, please let me know. aubec 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullyscroller Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Ok thanks Travis and all others that voiced their opinions. This is how i feel as a pattern maker ,and as a scroller, I and all pattern makers work hard to put out patterns for the joy of others to use for the love of scrolling. My most recent pattern took me 7 hours to do so if someone just took it and removed my signature to post it as free with out even a thank you our not even asking i like DonR would be PISSED !!! I'm pissed because a couple of Ricks patterns were taken and Rick is a true scrolling friend of mine. It's just not right. GOD said THOU SHALT NOT STEAL !!! and that is all this is plain and simple. If your neighbor takes your tools and does not ask what is it ??? Forget copyrights that's a different issue in itself. We don't have pattern police in the scrolling community so it is up to us to make sure that no one crosses the line. I'm sorry if feathers were ruffled by all this but right is right and wrong is wrong and posting someone else's patterns without their permission is WRONG!!! Taking patterns from free4all before it closed wasn't wrong because all of us did it but not for personal gain. It's situations like this that make a lot of pattern makers stop and pull their patterns from all sites --- myself included. Just my final thoughts on this mater for now. sully Edited January 28, 2014 by sullyscroller aubec, DonR, Wilson's Woodworking and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullyscroller Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 UPDATE --- i've been blocked from posting on that site --- AW SHucks --- also Rick and Gina both have reported him for copyright infringment AND WAIT FOR IT Rick told me this is also the same member that tried to hack his site just before he closed it. So Travis a word of warning watch this GUY !!!! sully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkey Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 I can only wish I was a pattern maker. If I was I would have to side with those that would not be happy. It just doesn't seem right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
browders Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 This is so sad. I wonder what the person is thinking. If they had taken a minimal amount of time and contacted the designers, I bet most would be fine with their patterns being posted on his web site, as long as proper credit was given. Instead the entire community is riled up and this person comes across looking like a dope. Too bad. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonR Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 (edited) Another wrinkle, if you click around that site, this will come up. He is actually selling patterns, I wonder who's??? Don R Edited January 28, 2014 by DonR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullyscroller Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 If anyone has patterns that are being sold or shown on that site here is a link Rick sent me to report it.http://www.awardspace.com/contacts/report-abuse Thanks all. sully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrollsawforum Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 All patterns have been removed. Again i am sorry if i have upset you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted January 28, 2014 Report Share Posted January 28, 2014 Now that this has been resolved, I think this is a good time to close this thread. Time to do what we do best and talking shop again. aubec, Wilson's Woodworking, sullyscroller and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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