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Hello everyone, Isn't our tradition in France but, I wish you a happy Thanksgiving! Eric

Wishing all my Fellow Scroller's a Wonderful and Happy Thanksgiving. Try not to eat to much.

@Scrappile Well as I said, I strongly looked at getting a Hegner.. so I did research and did my homework to find the saw that I thought would best fit me.. I had already had the Excalibur and knew I didn't want a small table.. Hegners tables are sadly smaller than the EX's so that was a big turn off in my decision making.. that said, I know one could build / make a table top for it.. in my defense on that decision I guess my old stubborn head couldn't wrap around why I should have to do that when a Hawk already has that.. I'm in no way saying Hawk or Hegner is better than one or the other.. just stating the facts as I learned by my research. Both saws have been around for a lot of years.. Hegner made a really robust saw years ago and have done very few changes and upgrades to a well made design.. Hawk has made a lot of changes over the years from different blade clamps to making them have adjustable aggression of the blade etc.. they've tried to improve a good saw many times over the years.. Hegner is great but it also ( In My Opinion ) is outdated and could use some improvements for a more versatile saw that would appeal to a wider range of users.. as in some folks don't care about the smaller table.. or that it's bottom feed only.. no blade aggression adjustments etc. Not knocking the fact it doesn't have those features.. but for me those were important things.. others may not care.. I do like the Hegners smaller footprint and the stand seems like it would be more comfortable to sit behind.. I paid less money for the Hawk, and did so knowing that customer service and parts can be a pain to get.. That sucky customer service and parts sourcing isn't for everyone.. just as a Hawk isn't for everyone and a Hegner isn't for everyone either.. I've seen many complaints of users of both saws over the years.. I honestly chose Hawk for a couple main points.. and that was larger table and more updated features like the blade aggression adjustment.. and the fact that all the parts are machined so getting parts made if ever needed "could be" done.. At the end of the day.. Both are awesome well built saws and I'm sure either one would last a lifetime of scrolling with minimal parts needed.. I've said this many times... You can have the best built saw, but if it's not user friendly to your style cutting you'll never really love it.. and that is how I seen the Hegner ( for me ) I didn't see me liking the table, and some of the other things..

I haven't done any work to it and won't. The last thing I want to do is screw it up. I would think if you cut the stop off and put a new one lower when a blade brakes the top arm would snap up harder. Tinkering with equipment isn't my thing. I would much rather be making something.

Well done @kmmcrafts, you know your stuff.. I would respond to some in Hegner's defense but just too darn tired right now from getting ready for the Holiday... And I may not respond to them.. I have learned on here, no matter what is said for or against a product,,, the person has usually already made up their mind and ordered what they were asking about.. Not saying that about this thread... just saying as a norm....and,, I am not big on telling someone which to buy... most of it is personal preference, anyway... I do not say any is best... I love my Hegner, but have not tried a Hawk... and besides I am just a grouchy old scroller anyway so my thoughts don't really mean much or even last more than a second in my head....!!

G'day all, The kids stuck their "baubles" on the tree today. I cut the circles and painted them white and the kids decorated them. They used hot melt glue, so I will have to place a screw in each one to stop them falling of. Would of used super glue but I reckon we would of ended up with a few nippers stuck to tree amongst the decos The local Men's shed made 14 trees from ply and gave one to each school to decorate and paint. May add a little tinsel, we'll see what the boss thinks.

Here are some photos of what I've been working on this past week. First photo has two paw print ornaments for the grandson and his friend along, a Home plaque and a Jeep wall hanging for my other grandson Second photo is a whale puzzle. Third is my most ambitious so far - a Harley-type Skull with pistons for the son-in-law's workshop.

Woo Hoo! We got one more. So 55 patterns this year! @Travis - received @Oges - received @don in brooklin on - received @Dan- received @Jim Blume - received @RabidAlien - received @Fab4 - received @grampa - received @meflick- received @jr42- received @glucas4 - received

When I was ready to buy a saw a Hawk wouldn't be available for over a month and I was able to get a Hegner within a week. I bought my Hegner a little over four years ago. I scroll about 6 hours a day. I would guess I use my Pegas about an hour of that. I like my Pegas but I don't think is will hold up like my Hegner. I use it mainly when I'm doing something large and want to top feed and also my inlay work. The cost of the parts aren't even a factor for me on my Hegner since I have never had to buy a thing for it. One blade holder will hold every blade I use. The only two complaints I have with it is that I can't top feed with it and it would be nice if the top arm would raise a bit higher. I would buy another one in a heart beat.

I suppose it depends on what vintage and model of Hawk.. Hawk made a lot of changes through the years.. If you're talking new Hawk vrs. new Hegner.. There are big differences.. Hawk has large table - Hegner doesn't Hawk comes standard with light mounting - optional for hegner at a additional price Hawk has adjustable blade aggression - don't think Hegner has that? Hawk doesn't need additional blade holders for various sized blades - Henger does and only comes with one, you get to pay extra if you need different balde holder sizes. Hawk has quick toolless blade holders - additional cost for Hegner Hawk can feed blade from top or bottom - Hegner bottom feed only Hawk made with real sealed bearings - Hegner made with bronze bushings Hawk has hold down mechanism for upper arm for easy top feeding - can't top feed from Hegner so no need Hawk parts including body of saw all machined high grade aluminum - Hegner uses a lot of cast aluminum or iron. Hawk SPM ( speed ) 125 -1750 - Hegner is 300 - 1700 Hawk has no dust collection fitting for Vacuum - Hegner does Hegner has adjustable length blade stroke - Hawk doesn't Hawk saws come with stand - Hegners do at additional cost. Hawk 20" saw $1200 - Hegner 18" saw without stand $1395 or $1575 with stand Hawks have a very strong powder coated finish on them - Hegners seem to have a cheap paint and most older saws look like they was dragged behind a car in the saltbelt in the winter.. seems every older Hegner has the paint half gone and rust Hawks largest saw is a 26" throat - Hegner is 22" saw. Hawk has had ( seems to be improving ) poor customer service and inventory of parts which can take a lot of time to get - Hegner has wonderful customer service and usually ahs parts on hand. I strongly looked at Hegner when I bought my new Hawk. Things that turned me off was the fact that parts are pricey and they come bare-bones no bells and whistles unless you pay extra for the needed / wanted things.. Hawk comes with most everything one would want / need on every standard saw. The small table was a big turnoff for me.. as is their seeming to want to Nickle and dime you to death for additional items that in my opinion should come with a saw and standard parts are very pricey.. I know there is nothing wrong with casted parts of the saw but I really like the fact that most every part on a Hawk is a machined part.. should Hawk go out of business and can't get parts.. a machine shop should be able to hook you up with what you need without too much trouble.. I chose Hawk for many reasons.. I have family and a neighbor that are machinist.. so I just felt if I needed something that Hawk can't get me.. I'll have it made.. I think if one is mechanical inclined many of the wear parts for either saw could be had at a hardware store rather than going through dealers. ( springs, bearings / bushings etc. ) I know I'm missing some things but I gotta get back out to work.. If I think of more I'll post it later..

Ha,,, "cheap plastic/rubber bellows is like $45". that is not cheap to me! But you could look at it this way, my Hegner is 11 years old,,, been rode hard and put away wet, but the bellow still looks fine... So if I get a few more year out of the bellows, say, 3, just to stay with even numbers....... 14 years (get it?, even numbers), that is only $3.21 a year. Now figure that with repairs on other cheaper saws that may not and probably will not last the long, with as much use, needing major repairs or replaced... I will keep my Hegner.. Hawk probably averages out about the same,, I do no know.. Really, to me the major differences are simple preferences.. The Hegner will not top feed.. the Hawk will. Maybe the Hawk table is bigger, I do not know. Maybe the Hawk table will tilt more in both directions than the Hegner, I do not know.... Both are work horses, both are great saws and for what I do scrolling, I would be happy with either, I think. I have never had the privilege of scrolling with a Hawk... I sure would like to.. The major things to me on my Hegner are, if I need help/customer service for my Hegner it will be there, if I need parts they well be there.. Maybe/maybe not so much on the current Hawk... but the seems to be improving..

I use the 3m velc0r strips and they come in different strength. I have a few intarsia projects on the wall and every thing is fine.

I use windows 10,and would like to make a small sigh with letters to print out and cut, help please

I would like to know what the difference is between the 2 saws. Please

I'm happy to announce that our Ornaments For Charity - 2021 Edition eBook is now available! For the last 11 years, members of Scroll Saw Village have donated their talents to designing ornaments for this unique eBook of patterns. This year, we added 11 designers to design 55 additional patterns. The book has gotten so large, we had to split it into 2 books. Book 1 covers our first 10 years; 2010-2021. Our newest book, Book 2, covers 2021+. Between the two books, we have 145 pages with 445 Holiday ornament patterns! So be sure to download both books. You can download the eBooks for free to check them out. If you decide to keep these amazing pattern books, we ask you to donate to your favorite charity (we're on the honor system here). Remember, this isn't about "buying" an eBook of patterns, it's about helping those in need. So dig deep when donating to your favorite charity. Please spread the word about these wonderful eBooks of patterns. Post to your favorite social media, other clubs, and organizations. The more people who know about it, the more money we're able to raise for worthy causes. You can find those eBooks here. There will be a tab on the navigation menu through Christmas. After Christmas, it will be moved under the Patterns tab in the navigation bar. Special thanks to the following designers for donating patterns to this year's Ornaments For Charity eBook: @Travis @Oges @don in brooklin on @Dan @Jim Blume @RabidAlien @Fab4 @grampa @meflick @jr42 @glucas4

Here is my take and please remember this is how it is with me. I'm more comfortable with my Hegner 18V that I have. It did take a while to get it dialed in and sometimes I think I am still dialing it in. I have two 26" RBI Hawks and I am more comfortable with the Hegner then with the Hawks. All three saws were bought used a few years ago. I had the Hegner probably a few months before I bought one of the Hawks. My thinking was I would use the Hegner while standing up and then when my legs got tired and I needed to sit down I would use the Hawk. Well sitting down and using the Hawk has not worked out well for me. Might be because I haven't given it enough time to get comfortable with it. Also always got frustrated trying to put the blade into the bottom clamp while I was doing a interior cut. But with all the said. The Hegner and both Hawks all run fine with no problems. I believe they were all made in the late 90's of I remember correctly. Sorry for rambling on. Thanks Jim

Great work everyone. Glad to be part of this and Proud to be a Villager Thanks Travis for another job well done, for everyone to enjoy Fab4

I stacked cut two of these over a year ago. Gave one to a co-worker for his son, just got around to finishing up the second one. I'm not real happy with how the easel turned out on this one. After looking at the pictures I think that I need to cut the top of the middle piece a bit shorter. I used scrap Pine for the stand and BBP for the plaque and backer. I know that Pine doesn't stain very nice so I use a pre-conditioner on the stand but it still didn't take a stain very good. Oh well, the wife is happy that I finished another project that I started last year,, well almost finished,, still needs a finish sprayed on the stand.

please check out a massage or mail box~~ have a great day~!

Another excellent assortment of wonderful ornaments! Thanks to Travis and all the contributors!

The Command strips is one of the best ways to "hang" your cuttings on a wall! I have been recommending to customers that have asked why I do not have wall hangers on crosses, framed projects, etc, and I tell them about the Command strips that will hold the item to a wall and if later on they want to remove it or move it to another place it is very easily done. I have different pictures of different sizes and weights attached to the walls and have not had any problems with them staying put! Just do as the instructions say to do and you will not have any problems! Erv

Just to add another thought, Hegner has a soft start where it slowly ramps up to speed.. the older Hawks had this as well, but unfortunately the new Hawks do not.. hit the foot peddle and instant on at the speed you have it set at.. I kinda like the slower ramp up to speed option better.. but honestly I don't think any of the Excalibur or most other saws have the soft start option either.. I think Hegner has a better heavier duty motor.. But that said, I've never experienced a motor failure in any saw.. almost exclusively my issues had been bearing failures.

Good information has been provided in this thread for Roberta. I like Paul can't speak about Hawk as I have never owned or operated one, but I think I can speak about my long term 13+ years experience with my Hegner Multi Max 22v. I agree parts are very expensive if you have the misfortune of having anything break or wear out. So far (knock on wood) I have not had to replace anything and it has many many hours of use. As many here know I have addressed and modified my saw to make it more user friendly. I believe with proper use and maintenance it would last a life time. From what I have read on this forum both Hawk and Hegner are great saws and Roberta would be able to enjoy one of them for many years.

If I had to take a wild guess I'd say it's possibly blade tension is the culprit. I run into the same issue somewhat.. with the tension on my EX, and I see many people talk about that issue too.. even with the Pegas chucks.. and Pegas saws. I don't know if it's blade slippage or sloppy threads or? where that mechanism is in the back of the EX.. For the majority of cutting it's not an issue.. but I find it difficult to keep / maintain tension throughout a larger cut on my EX.. always kinda blamed it on the China version.. BUT.. I see many complaints of the same thing on those other brands.. Scott ( Iggy ) had a Pegas and complain of this issue so he went back to DeWalts.. I don't think it's anything to do with the screws because I can put a brand new set screw and thumb screw in and the same thing happens.. This may not be anything to do with every EX style saw.. I think one flaw with these saws is not being able to adjust the tension.. other than turning the knob at the back and getting it out of alignment in doing so. For the most part this isn't an issue for me and if I need something precise I use the Hawk.. Since you mentioned inlay I'll say I don't really like the table adjustment mechanism on the Hawks.. especially the older ones. Not sure how the Hegner is but the Hawk is a pain in the behind to precisely adjust.. I don't think there is a perfect saw for every type of cutting.. I guess that's why I have so many saws, LOL

Love to see a picture what you are working on.

2021. Finished projects ,all made from Hardwood various oaks finished with four coats of Danish oil

Yeah, I also had the issues with that back knob adjusting itself while sawing.. I was so frustrated with it I was ready to set it parallels to the table and get my welder out and weld that stupid thing to the saw frame, LOL I had to cool off and stay away from that saw for a couple weeks.. then finally took it all apart and used blue loctite on the threads of that shaft.. Not had a problem with it for a long time.. BUT, that said.. I should have applied more when I had it apart for rebuild last year... in the past month or so the saw started cutting weird and not working like it should.. Finally the other day I noticed it seemed like my blades was longer than normal.. Got the tape measure out and found that the knob had turned on its own and the cutting issues etc. was because it had adjusted itself out of alignment again. Set it back and have cut a few hours on it without issue.. so at least it's not completely out of alignment just doing one small cut like it was when I first discovered it doing this.. I used to have to adjust it after each cutout it was so bad..

Paul, I'm not sure what the OP had in mind but after having both saws, I would have trouble picking one of the other. The Hegner is a tank for sure and is the scroll saw that I got used to always seeing being demo'd at the wood shows. I ended up buying a Hawk back in 1985 at one of those shows. I can't remember why I bought it but I just did. I never did use it and ended up selling it to a neighbor who still has it but has never used it. That saw has zero hours on it. I think for me it was the hard to change blades and the 2 speed belt driven mechanism. But it's so long ago, I'm not sure. Anyway, to my point. Both saws are great and are very much alike in many ways. I would not recommend one over the other. I think if a person buys either one and learns to use it as you have yours, they will have thousands of hours of use out of it with very little coinage out of the pocket. If a person is short of workspace, I highly recommend the Hegner as it has the smallest footprint of any of the saws that I know of.

Happy turkey day to everyone. Mrs. and I are doing a first, going out to eat on Thanksgiving. Our daughter is out of town until tomorrow night and a nice restaurant in our town is having a nice buffet, so we made reservations.

Steve posted these patterns a couple weeks ago. Finally sat down at the saw yesterday and cut all 10 and then some. As you can see I stack cut these so I now have 30+ ornaments to paint and assemble. They were cut on my Pegas using mgt #3. I did cut one full size snowflake for the window, I duplicated the top layer so it is two sided. The other 10 I reduced to 50% so they are better sized for the tree. My wife wants a full size set for the house windows now so I guess I better get back to the saw.

Happy thanksgiving to all my American friends be safe and enjoy time with the family and don’t forget FOOTBALL

Everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving and save some of the left overs for snacks later in the day! Erv

HAPPY Thanksgiving to everyone in SSV and there families, be safe.

Happy Thanksgiving 🍽

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Thank you and same to all the Village.

Thank you, hope you have a wondefull day also.

Happy Thanksgiving to you to Lawson. Jim

The puzzles are Fantastic.

terrific job

Travis Cook did one of a hen and rooster key holder that would be easy to make into a wall clock. In the Pattern library Bobscroll did a pattern of a Rooster, you could adapt that.

Some super nice puzzles namunolie. Great pics of your travels. Are you travelling alone? Looks like a nice set up for camping. Hurry up with that tree or there will be lots of dead spots on the lawn

Perhaps there is something here you can use of modify https://www.google.com.au/search?q=rooster+stencils+printable&sxsrf=AOaemvKr4lJkDuelVAcfSDv4PXhueeUrjA:1637735428502&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBm87zr7D0AhXJ7XMBHX91COwQ_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1760&bih=832&dpr=1.09

They look terrific. Dogs are always popular. Love your traveling photos too. Marg

Those are really neat. Are the patterns available or are they patterns you made? My wife is in a dog training club and they would be good projects to make for fund raisers.

I was trying to fine something to make for my wife, to give her tomorrow on our 60th anniversary. I came up with the idea of making her a couple of intaria pieces that would sort of picture our 60 years of marriage. These JGR patterns seem to be just the thing. So we have one plaque signifying our wedding and our start on our new journey in life, followed by the one of two elderly people, still holding hands and in love with each other, (as we are today). I believe the idea is really good and per-tenant. Problem being they are too big to really find a good place to display them. Perhaps I can cut the backer board out, leaving just the figures and that might work better. But for now, she will receive tomorrow what I am posting today Dick heppnerguy

I have an order for a turtle box. I also need an extra one to sell. The lid requires a 15 piece inlay. The Excalibur will cut 1, maybe 2, and then the third is off, just a bit. I can’t figure out why. I have to do it on the Dewalt. I am just checking options. There are 2 used saws near me, one Hawk, one Hegner. I do not understand how it can be user error when the Dewalt can do it. To say I am frustrated is putting it mildly. Thanks for the information.