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For those not familiar with Lord Of The Rings, this is actually a portrait of the same character. Smeagol, on the right, a type of Hobbit, came upon the Ring of Power which he is holding and admiring here. The ring cursed him and over the years he became the creature on the left, Gollum. Measures about 7 1/2" X 12" in 1/2" red oak.

I'll be the devils advocate here. How good an artist are most of the pattern makers? I ask this because, following some peoples logic 99% of all patterns are actually copy-writ to somebody else, not the pattern maker. Unless the pattern maker dreams up the pattern, puts it down on paper, or takes an original photograph, they can not be the owner of the copy-write. Most find their pictures/ photos somewhere, then convert that said image into a pattern and I wonder how many have purchased or gained permission to do so? According to some, only those who are 100% invested or have purchased rights can make patterns, so if this is the case, I would suggest everybody go and chuck your collection in the bin, because somewhere, some how we are all breaking the law. Everybody has their own moral compass, live by yours.. I live with mine. live and let live.

I have been "playing" with Inkscape for the last 10 years. It all started with Free4all. Rick did a great set of videos on pattern making. That sparked my interest. I have watched all the videos here in the University which are great and also took the course by "Logos by Nick". https://logosbynick.com/inkscape/ The course by Nick are really great as he explains every command. He also has a bunch of videos on Youtube. If you have a question you can reach out to him and he will get back to you. The biggest thing with Inkscape is to keep at it and don't get frustrated. If you have a question post it here and someone will usually help.

Sorry for the long post. There is a couple of things going on here: Can the pattern designer dictate usage rights? The OP's wished there was some sort of explanation of usage rights. I think that's a reasonable request. I wouldn't expect it to be on an Amazon listing, but it should be in a pattern book for sure. Etsy listings, or direct pattern sales, should have EULA (End User License Agreement) with their patterns. Listing it would be nice, but if it's not there, you should be able to ask and easily get an answer. I was thinking Fox Chapel had a thread on their website about what you can and can't do with their patterns in their books. But can a pattern designer dictate usage rights? Sure they can. If they are the copyright holder, they have the ability to control how they want their work being used. You see this with music every political season. A group uses a piece of music the artist doesn't want to be associated with. They have the right to say no. If a pattern designer says that it's for personal use only, it means you can make it for yourself or as a gift. But not with the intention to sell. Others allow you to sell the finished product (not the pattern itself), but they may limit how many you can do. This is mostly protection in case something becomes a runaway hit, or if something starts becoming manufactured, they have some sort of recourse. I think some of our big pattern designers had this happen to them. If their design hits that cord with the public, they want to benefit too. Why should they only make $10 on a pattern while the manufacturer is making a boatload of money? Look at the man and dog scroll saw pattern. I think I saw that floating around as a hand drawn pattern on some communities a long while back. It became super popular in the scrolling community. It got published in a magazine, and eventually turned into a book deal! That's amazing! Congratulations! They deserve that success. The idea of turning a pattern into a finished product by changing the medium will bypass the copyright is not true. Nor does altering the pattern. This is called derivative work and does not void the original copyright. It has to be a significant change where you cannot confuse the original with the new work. Many years ago, there was a very high profile pattern designer that got into trouble because he used copywritten photos to make his patterns. Fox Chapel I think also got into trouble for publishing them in their magazine. I'm not sure the end result of the lawsuit, I'm sure it was settled. But it was a pretty big deal at the time and shook up the scrolling community. I got an email a few weeks back asking if they can use one of my patterns for commercial use. First we had to find out what they meant by commercial. Is it being manufactured, or are they a crafter? Turns out they were a crafter. I basically said, you can't distribute the pattern, but you can make up to 1000 finished products to sell online, craft shows, etc. Because, honestly, if you're a crafter making over 1000 pieces of any one design, you're a manufacture now and we should come to a different agreement. The Custom Ornament Business Kit I make every year explains what you can and cannot do with the kit. It's intended for crafters. I expect that people want to make money from it. That's good (and honestly encouraged). But I don't want them to sell or give away my ornament business kit (that's how I keep the lights on at SSV)....just the stuff they make with it. Who monitors this and can it be enforced? The fact is, there is a copyright with terms of usage. If you don't own that copyright and go against usage terms, it can be enforced. Most of the time, it's just a cease and desist letter. Will you get caught? Hard to say. If you're online, you're very exposed. If you're at a craft show, depends on the craft show and the crowd it brings (if you have a booth at a Harley event without a license, I can almost guarantee you'll be shut down) Can they go further? Sure, but it's expensive and usually the letter is enough to put an end to it. If you really want to go up against it, you'll probably lose. Who monitors? Sometimes the artist. I've reported several people on ebay that were selling my patterns. I've had times where people scrape SSV and Google Images to bundle and sell our patterns. That's why the Pattern Library is now for members only. Sometimes it's friends of the original pattern designer. SSV had some patterns from a person who we thought was the original designer. A friend of the real designer pointed that out to me, and after some research and investigation, we found out they were stolen and removed them. There are companies that specifically go out to look for certain types of work. They basically work on behalf of companies, looking for infringements. They make their money by getting a percentage of settlements. A friend of mine ran a website where he was filed against several times. (His website was legit, though. It was a forum where people showed off homemade cornhole boards for personal use, often with sports team logos.) Likeness of celebrities can also fall under this. You always hear of a daycare that has Disney murals on the walls and get shut down. Harley people, like Wichman shared, got into trouble for repurposing their products. Puzzle makers who take calendars and turn them into jigsaw puzzles. The list goes on and on. Can they prove it? If you're in a craft show, they can look at your merchandise and tell. As simple photo will take care of that. If it's online, they have your listing and they can subpoena sales records. Even if you only sold through social media, there's records. A few closing thoughts: For patterns found on SSV, you'll have to ask the original pattern designer what you can do with them. Please respect their wishes. SSV doesn't own the copyrights to the patterns posted here. When pattern designer uploads a pattern, the designer is giving permission for SSV to host the pattern for members to use. If you want to make money with the design, you'll have to work that out with the original pattern designer. SSV isn't involved in that negotiation. Each artist has their own definition of what is acceptable for themselves. And that's OK. I've had my patterns stolen in the past and it's super disheartening. As a designer, it really makes you question why you do this and whether or not it's worth it. We've lost many amazing designers over the years because of this. We're all artists and craftspeople. Some of us are designers, some are scrollers, some of do both. Its a symbiotic relationship. We want to watch out for and respect each other. If we didn't have designers, us scrollers won't have anything to cut. Without scrollers, designers won't have anybody to bring their ideas to life. SSV is very conscious about copyrights. Please remember that I'm just a solo guy who runs SSV on the side for the scrolling community. I try hard to make this a friendly place with a ton of great information and resources. But we can't use SSV as a platform to share patterns that don't belong to us. A single letter from a cranky lawyer could potentially shut down the whole website. So I try to be diligent about protecting copyrighted works. SSV is a big place and I can't see it all. If you see something that doesn't belong, please flag it for review (the 3 dots under the upper right corner), and I will take a closer look. Here's a couple of other posts that may be interesting: Check out the copyright section in the Village University: And another post about Copyrights:

Hi everyone, just wanted to pop in to let everyone know I'm home from the hospital. I had back surgery last Friday so I'll be out of commision for a while. They say six weeks recovery. I start therapy tomorrow. Hope you get back to my saw soon. Thanks, Ralph.

A couple of things: I have followed Steve Good for most of the time he has been publishing and through the years he has stated he doesn't care if people are using his patterns to make money. He does make a soft request for donations on his posts, but doesn't hammer it. (And I have made donations and purchased his custom Christmas patterns) Second, back in the days when I was a working news photographer, I had a few of my images reprinted without permission. The maddening part is that in EVERY instance, I would have granted permission for a credit line and a tear sheet copy for my folio. (Long before internet, we actually kept photo books) So, I am a bit more careful about crossing the "fair use" line of copyright material. I not a lawyer, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I truly have no right or wrong side on this.

Here is my current system for drying small to medium parts. The rack folds to a very small footprint, they can be stacked for addition drying space. Once the finish is not tacky I'll set them out where the air flow is better than the shop.

Got them all done. Two coats of shellac for the finish. All have "temporary tattoos" on the back. One has a temp tat on the front and the other two are stickers. The logos were purchased from a local sport shop that is going out of business so they were 75% off! There are more details on the cutting in "Works in Progress"

Chris, if you do a search for "steve good inkscape" you’ll find a number of videos he’s done explaining creating text for patterns.

Based on Wichman’s info. on it being a Steve Good pattern, here is a link to where he posted it on his blog Dec. 7, 2012. Just scroll down past the post and the poll and click on the red “Free Download” button to download from the blog post or do as Wichman suggested by searching his Index pages. https://scrollsawworkshop.blogspot.com/2012/12/snowflake-christmas-ornament-scroll-saw.html

In just my humble opinion, reference to copyright only applies to the pattern itself and can not be applied to the product produced from them. I believe most patterns, stencils, images etc. found on-line, although they may state "copyright protected" are not unless associated with major corporations or actual book publishers. Just too costly for most creaters to bother with. Those who sell other peoples work are really the ones who are in the wrong, Steve Good's recent email, being a good example of this problem. Therefore, I can appreciate that a pattern I purchase should not be redistributed and sold for profit. However, once I purchase a copy it is mine to share, give away or transfer ownership. If the seller states "only purchasing a license for use" he/she is being nieve, and again, such a statement sounds good but is uninforcable. I also am of the opinion that particular patterns, produced by certain makers that state on their Website (or even on the pattern intself), that the pattern can not be used to produce commercial products, must be smoking something. It sounds very powerful but, I believe, a totally uninforcable statement. That is kind of like an Art paint manufacturer saying you can buy their paint but cannot sell a painting done with their paint. Too dumb for words. Also, patterns are simply suggestions fo making a resulting image, not unlike a coloring book or paint by numbers kit. Even the smallest deviation from the pattern, makes it unique and no longer what was sugggested. AND WE ALL DEVIATE, DON'T WE? If you don't mess with highly recognizable LOGO's or products by major organizations, like a Harley Davidson, copyright infringement being detected/determined and/or even verified, in any of our scroll saw work and/or our product sales is highly unlikely. I know a there are those wno will not agree with me regarding all or parts of the above, but as I stated, they are only my opinions and how I chose to operate.

names martin, been following you guys for a while now, and this must be just about the nicest forum i've ever been on. i've been scrolling, and burning and other crafty stuff for about six years now. all began when i got seriously ill and needed stuff to do to stop me going nuts. a few pictures of stuff i've done, recording work is something i'm not good at. most of my work is given away, much to my lasses distress. some of the patterns are from here, some jim blume, some steve good, others i forget, i'm an avid collector of images/patterns that hopefully i'll get around to doing. for my brothers wedding anniversaryon the mother in laws wallfor my lasses uncle, it's burnt on to a cheese boardanother burning of a friends dog

My wife said we need a mantel clock and found one on Pedro's Web site finescrollsaw.com. Contacted him and he send me a PDF file after I purchased. It all went very smoothly. Took it to my local UPS store and were able to print it on card stock using A6 paper format dimensions. 12" x 17" I wanted to do it in Bubinga but my wife wanted a lighter color, so I went with oak. I used 3.5 pieces of 5.5 x 48" 1/4" oak. I did modify the top from the original pattern so that the top was narrower than the piece below it. I also added a 1/8" shim between to bottom and next piece up. I also rounded the extention pieces on the base plate. Finish in Gloss Lacquer.

The furniture looks great. As much as I build I never thought about combining the two. But lately I’ve been building live edge dining tables. Great money maker for me. Below are my last two and I have another that will be done next week .

Just spent an hour trying to figure out Inkscape. After getting no where I went to the University here and watched a few videos and learned one thing. I am NOT a pattern designer. My hats off to all of you that can do that. I was just trying a simple script name, got no where. Think I'll stick to free handing what I need. Chris

a few more, done these the last or so, they are going to a raffle in support of a local autism charity. a steve good pattern another steve good pattern and my first attempt at compound cutting forget where i got this from

TLTR I have over 200 copyrighted items in my repertoire having been a musician for over 40 years! I also own a Trademark. IMO First thing one needs to identify is are they dealing with a copyright or a trademark! They are 2 different things and protected and monitored differently. Those that believe the original artwork is the copyright are correct. You can NOT take a photo from a photographer, make it a pattern and then enforce copyright on it (notice I say "enforce"). You will be able to "claim" copyright, but the photographer of the image will be the actual copyright owner if it were to go to court. We see this time and again with music, how changing or sampling a small piece is often a attempted copyright but is in fact an infringement on a copyright. Patterns, unless they are hand drawn from the artists imagination and do NOT resemble an image from which they were "copied" are copyrighted if they choose to do so. Simply posting on the internet does not guarantee one a copyright. Tangible medium can NOT be changed such as the ability to change the date on a file that is posted to the internet. IMO - It is not a question of "doing the honest" thing - that IMO is a bunch of hog wash. I'm going to assume "doing the honest thing" means one has never sped, ran a yellow light, jay walked, withheld funds from Taxes and any number of other "illegal" tasks etc. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". I'm guilty, I admit it. I am NOT perfect. Often times you will see "artists" SAY something is copyrighted, when in actuality it is not because they have not gone through the actual process of copyrighting an item. They may believe as many, that by simply "posting" an item it is automatically copyrighted. Similar to how musicians will mail themselves a recording of their works and say "It's copyrighted" because it has a postmark. That has yet to hold up in court! It is a great way to protect yourself in the short run, but not if you intend to make money from your works. Copyrights are seldom enforced, and often with a good lawyer (if you can afford it) do not end in any penalty - take a well known photo company that purports to own EVERY photo on the internet! I've gotten cease and desists from them for years - they are full of hot air! Once my attorney sends them a request for proof of copyright and a cease and desist, they're done bothering me! Does any of this mean selling a product created from another product which is supposedly copyrighted guarantee a lawsuit? Nope, if you choose to ignore a copyright, you roll the dice - if you have the means to fight it, more power to you! Now Trademark, WOW that is quite another thing and is heavily monitored. HOWEVER, where it is monitored and by whom is interesting to note: Often times you will hear of cease and desists being forwarded when a trademarked item is used for commercial purposes in PUBLIC! By public I mean: the internet, on a website 3rd party or other (google can search photo's which is how many are found today), at a highly visible event (any sports game or sporting event etc.) or in many cases at small farmers markets/flea markets. Often the markets are not monitored directly, but rely on "whistle blowers". Once that occurs "release the Kraken" happens and often times will result in confiscation. Does any of this mean selling a product created from another product which is Trademarked guarantee a lawsuit? Nope, if you choose to ignore a Trademark, you roll the dice!

You are correct when you say " A copyright protects the the creator from someone stealing his work." My opinion is simply that Copyright applys to the "pattern" (in these discussions) that are available for sale from the originator or his/her agent. Wnen such patterns are reproduced and redistributed for sale, the copyright law is most difinitively being broken. I don't believe there is anyone participating in this discussion that actually feels otherwise. However, unless the image itself is copyrited/trademarked, like corporate Logos and Emblems, the resulting product/image produced from a/any pattern is not, again in my opinion, subject to copy protection and the seller of the pattern cannot ligitamately stipulate what the product rpoduced from said pattern can be used for. If myself and othes really believed this truly the extent of copyright protection, then most of us should just pull the plug on our saws as should embroiders, tatoo artist, any and all crafters and artist...... I could go on and on, but there is no point. I don't consider myself breaking any laws intentionally or even unintentionally. I sell my work and not somebody elses even when I use somebody elses pattern.

I was only refering to the product made from a pattern, and not the pattern itself. I trully believe a pattern maker can not actually control what the user of a pattern does with a finish product made from such pattern. Of course, there are limitations here, when any actual resulting image is copyrighted such as corporate logo's, emblems, etc. Then it is not the work but the image itself that is protected. I believe, just stating "you can buy my pattern but can't sell the product made from it" is simply nonsence. Again only my opinion.

Thank you all so, so much. The 'Village People' are absolutely brilliant !!! I have it now and off to my workshop.

Excellent work and a beautiful outcome. I would love to attempt something like that, and have seen many designs that I like.

Never seen it but I love the portrait that you made. Looks great. Marg

Big Hobbit/ LOTR fan, nice work!

need to make two of these... I live out in the country, but the neighbors are close enough we can talk at the fences or yell at each other. I am often on my deck with binoculars, not to watch my neighbors but to look for Birds,deer and foxes that are sometimes in our lower fields. So, I need to make a pair of these to put on the fences between us..just to make them nervous..

I do the right thing, or I should say I don't purposely do the wrong thing.. I had company show up as I was typing so in regards to my post, I never really finished up to say that it's not the right thing to do etc. so if you are referring to me I wasn't done, LOL Guess I should have waited to finish before posting. I just don't understand how some designers can have certain regulations on their patterns and how they can go about proving it.. I get it with trademark items that you "copy something" but when you legally buy a pattern but are only to make 10 items how does that get proven.. ( again not saying it's okay to make more and hope to not get caught just don't understand it in the first place )It's a pretty grey area unless you obviously are at a show with 50 of them and caught red handed.. (also my understanding is that you have to be the holder of the copywrite to make a case).. otherwise it's a pretty hard proof. Unless I'm missing something. For the most part I think scroll sawers are pretty trust worthy because they know the meaning of "handmade" much better than someone that just buys a machine to make things for them while they watch over said machine.. I belong to many laser and cnc forums / groups.. and most of those guys seem to think everything is free.. and don't give a rats behind about the designer or a copywrite.. That is really why I brought these particular stipulations up.. without seeing their sales history how does it get proven.. I never once said anything about it being okay to do.. I just think the stipulations are kind of dumb to put in place.. though I'm not a designer and I don't carry copywrites or trademarks.. maybe something they have written that they know they cannot prove but to a certain minority of thief's at craft fairs with boatloads of inventory can give them some legal ground to stand if that were to happen.. possibly for those laser folks.. Those laser groups are terrible with loads of people arguing about this very type of thing and make the good guys have a bad name for it..

I am almost afraid to jump into the discussion, but regarding this line, and as John Nelson commented, who counts/enforces.

Hmm wonder what the neighbors are up to today? Lol

My experience with Inkscape is changing the fill and stroke. My ability to create patterns has been the ability to create junk. I did a pattern in Gimp but it took me about 10 hours of work trying to color the various pixels. Haven't cut the pattern yet because I'm just not happy with how it turned out. It has about 1500 cuts and I'd like to eliminate about a third of those. I'm planning on trying to gain more experience in both Inkscape and Gimp through online training but time just hasn't permitted as yet. Good luck with your learning. If you find the switch that clicks everything in understanding, let us know.

Thank you John. This was not really that hard. The lower fret work were 3 individual pieces and the top were 2 pieces. The section holding the clock face is one piece but it is easier to hold when it's larger. All the pieces are key and slot assembly. There are a lot of pieces to cut but most are straight cuts. It does take a little to figure out how it all goes together since there is no exploded view for the assembly. I spend about 4 days, a few hours each day to complete it with finishing. Because I modified the original on the top and tonges, It did take a little longer. It cost me about $50 for material and finish.

I hope you heal quickly

I couldn't have said that better... my understanding is any "original image" is copywritten automatically once you post it online.. I have over 3000 images online ( etsy, amazon listing photos also just photos used around the internet). I have times where I find my images on other sites.. I have one image that is actually on a clipart site that someone stole from etsy and put on their clipart site. I've had in the past other etsy sellers stealing my entire listing word for word, images too and selling at a lower cost.. so when people say they don't like their stuff stolen "nether do I".. My point was how does one "really" go about patrolling / enforcing the law on this.. I don't have time to do that sort of thing so I just wonder how does one of the designers make sure no more than X amount to be made without a commercial license.. I think some thought I was trying to justify stealing.. maybe I took it that way as the written word is no expression. I used to cut portraits, had about 50 of them of famous people. didn't know selling them was infringing. Some "other scroller" alerted me I should take them down before I get into trouble so I did. They sat in my inventory for about 10 years until I decided it was time to burn them and I did just that.. Enjoyed making them and I enjoyed destroying them.. as I love me a nice campfire..

Take good care of yourself Ralph, you'll soon be up and about. Sending very Best Wishes to you. x

Do what the quacks say. take it slow and easy and you'll be back in no time. Get well soon

I think you might consider coloring it. That could mask the difference in the color of the surface. Otherwise, looks like a good pattern. Might seem kind of obvious, but you could cut it again using the suggestions above. Tom

You really have a neat thing going with these pictures of move characters, I do not much follow movies but I really enjoy seeing your pictures. Nice job,, I know that if from "Lord of the Rings". and I have seen seen many pictures of him/it and he is a cool character..Kinda like the little green man that talked funny in Starwars...I like him also..

I agree maybe the backside is usable as stated by Dan. Is that Baltic Birch? I also do what Foxfold does. Never had a problem that way... some times the pattern comes off complete and you can put them on you workroom wall. But if you and your wife like it that way,, then that is how you planned it and I say nicely done! I have some that I tell people I planned it that way and so far no one has questioned me on it.

@Eric67 Try a heat gun or blow dryer When I have adhesive that won't come off easily, I simply use the heat on an area and the paper comes right up very easily! If the area gets hot, wear a glove and peel with the other hand Hope that helps

Very nice! How many of them are you allowed to make from that one pattern? Just curious after reading the "copyright" thread.

I do not care if it is difficult to enforce the copyright or not. I do not care if different creators have different rules. To me, it is not a grey area. Breaking the copyright rules is illegal and more importantly just wrong. Trying to justify breaking the copyright rules is just wrong. We owe it to the creators of the patterns to pay them and encourage them to create more. Some are relying on the income such as Alex Fox. There are too many people today trying to justify breaking the law because they think it is the law is in a grey area. If one does not like a law, then try to get it changed. Personally, I have my name on a number of patents and involved in new technology. I do not want people to steal the things I helped create.

Brenda, click on your picture of the snowflake and a clear copy will pop of. Save this to Documents and then you should have a clear copy to print on your printer.

I get what you mean here but on the other hand you could just copy every pattern makers work and add or remove a bridge etc. and call it your own.. I believe that I had read somewhere that a design had to be changed up a sort of certain percentage to not be infringing.. Kinda makes me think.. I could just change the the formula slightly for a penetrating oil and call it WD-45.. suppose they'd go after me? This Archer puzzle was taken down from my Amazon store last fall I think it was.. It was deemed to be too similar to a sports team logo.. I'm not a sports person so I don't recall what team but I believe it was Kansas City Chiefs.. I personally did see " some similarities" as in the overall shape.. but we're talking about football vrs Archery and the puzzle clearly says Archer on it not anything to do with football or the said teams logo.. In fact.. I had a hard time finding the logo because it was the teams " old " logo from some years ago.. "I think" This is the link to the said logo. https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/296041375490544653/ I probably could have disputed this and won against it.. BUT, is it worth the effort and time to do that for a product I sell only about 3 - 5 of per year, LOL.. My point is.. if you make and sell stuff and someone wants to they can go after you over most anything.. there seems to be some sort of a copywrite or trademark reference to most anything, especially if you see how similar the two things are.. to me they're not even close to the same thing for a copywrite / trademark.. but if it came to a lawsuit probably depend on who has the best legal defense, LOL I do agree on all your other points and you wrote it quite well..

You're not safe from infringing a copywrite just because someone makes and sells the patterns, something I always thought I was safe from so long as I used Sue Mey, or Sheila / Keith Landry or other well known designers patterns.. I've had seize letters and items taken down from Etsy and Amazon from items I've made from these designers.. Same with a few of the puzzle patterns that Iggy is selling on his website.. I mentioned to the designers about the particular items and they never took them off their sites so you still can buy make and sell said patterns from these designers and get yourself into legal actions so don't think for a second that because the designers sell these they are safe.. I just wanted to make that clear to anyone that doesn't know this. I've had about 6 of these over the coarse of my 15 years of selling crafts online.. I have no issues with stopping selling something and never relist / sell a item that had been taken down.. I don't want to be sued but I also don't want to sit in a corner with my tail between my legs scared to make and sell things either.. The problem is.. there is so many copywrite / trademarked items out there that there is really hardly any way to keep track of some of them.. and people are going through the process to copywrite / trademark new items and sayings etc. every day so it's about impossible to keep up with it..

I love this pattern. So darn cute. Is this your own pattern? Dick heppnerguy

Border Collie and Sheep finished Monday, August 22, 2022. The pattern is by Jaeheon Yun and found in the book "20 Minute Scroll Saw Puzzles". I used 3/4" Poplar about 8" x 12". Cut on the Pegas scroll saw using Pegas #5R MGT blades. After sanding with a Mac Mop, dipped in diluted Shellac and lightly sanded again. Comments welcome.

Thanks Marg. I like it as a wall hanger.

SO WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE IT ?????? I have a few patterns out there and really do not care how scrollers use my patterns. I am flattered they like them enough to use them at all. .......even for profit. JAN

The only way you are going to get a definitive answer is to ask a lawyer, if it worries you that much.

I recently bought this pattern for a winter project. I plan to use the miter saw extensions to support the ends, I will be using spiral blades. http://www.scrolleronline.com/product/Bear-Ridge-Mountain-Bench-Project-Pattern/876

Spiral blade. I used 1/2" plywood with a 1/4" backer. Next one will have a 1/2" backer.