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My wife's niece from Germany comes to visit every spring in conjunction with a Pharma convention in Chicago. She is a private pilot and also a Lufthansa Nut! I made a JU-52 plaque for her a few years ago and decided to try something bigger. DO-X Was the largest and heaviest aircraft of the time in 1929 and could hold over 100 passengers and did fly from Europe to NY. The cabin was very luxurious to include smoking rooms, dinning room and sleep cabins. It had 12 counter facing engines. Even with 12 engines, it was considered under powered. It had a short operational life, being retired in 1937. I have included a short YouTube Link. Lots more on Wikkipedia. Plaque is 1/8" BBPW and 1/4 PW backer painted black.

Kevin please stay as Ray said your input is always straight on and I for one appreciate it, RJ

'Tis true. I didn't think about it until much later. It would be interesting to see numbers on what's cheaper for my use case -- keeping the entire slab at 45-50ish degrees or running the heat pump a bit harder those weeks when I do need it to make up for loss through the slab. And of course the heated slab would be of zero use the other half of the year where the heat pump's job is to keep the temperature below 80-85.

I will wade in here. I agree with Kevin that the Laser is just another tool. I am a "Tool Junkie" personally love all tools. My mom bought a digital embroidery machine and got into computers in her late 70's. I had a heck of a time keeping up with her. Technology has its place. I do have a small desktop laser engraver. It's primary use is for personalizing certain ornaments and gifts. I used to do the engraving with my Colewood burner, but looked like crap especially on softer grainy woods. Also try engraving 1mm or less text by hand. Or tell me that the tears of joy are crap when I give a a laser engraved ornament to them that I created from a photo of their deceased dog. And for the record I have never been out sold by fully laser made projects even though my work is significantly higher priced.

You have 2 choices, raise the ceiling or lower the floor. Problem solved.

Kevin, that cross is beautiful, I enjoy looking at what you post done with a laser, RJ

I have been a member here for a while and don't post much. I do check in to see what people are making and enjoy the comradery. With that being said I do sell at a number of craft shows both scrolled items and laser engraved items. I soley use my laser to engrave items and never cut with it. When people are in my booth I do tell them what is hand made and what is laser engraved. I do mix both mediums and it does cteate unique items. Customers do enjoy both and they all increase sales. The laser is another tool and it does take talent to program them to get a nice looking product. Just my 2 cents and not trying to stir the pot.

Agree! Great cutting.

19 hours ago, JTTHECLOCKMAN said: Kevin here is the deal. Go back and look what I said in reply to the OP. All I said they were laser cut and that I think they look cheap and my final word was I hate lasers. I think everyone here knows I hate lasers because they came up before. Then you get on here and no one else mentioned anything about hating lasers and you went into this long diatribe about how you use lasers and because one does not use one knows nothing about it and this was all directed at me. No one else mentioned the hate for lasers. It is old timers who do not want to move into the future and all that stuff. I am not stupid Kevin. I know when I am the target of a reply. Yes I used a 3D image of an angel for displaying certain religious pens I make. They are called props. Not for sale. Run away again. It does not bother me one way or other. I try to add when I can but maybe it is time to move away from this site all together. being I do not do much scrolling anymore anyway. Good luck with your lasers and scrollsaw work. Ray to answer your question you yelled at me for being negative one time before so I figured you would again. No I was misunderstood and I thought I had explained myself. Maybe not. But, I do see a lot of negativity in your posts lately. Especially toward Kevin. Why not just ignore him if he riles you? I hate to see this happening here. We have enough problems in our lives without having them here too. It's time for both of you to stop bickering.

I would never let just one person chase me off.. but you see, the whole scroll sawing community has this box they stand on called the soap box and they puff the chest out and say I made this with their own two hands.. rightfully so as it does take skill and talent to scroll saw as it does with any other form of crafting. I've been there done that with many different forms of scroll sawing been on that soap box myself over the years too, and again rightfully so. The issue is I have changed, haven't even touched my scroll saw this year.. yet anyway. Sales have slowed way up so I've been taking advantage of that extra time playing with the laser and CNC projects.. you'd think after 7 years I'd learn where that button is that is so easy to push as everyone puts it, on these machines that make you not need any talent whatsoever to pump out some chinese trash looking projects. But I guess I'm as bright as a burnt out lightbulb because I can't seem to find that button and am having to do more hands on and learning than that.. The sad thing is I've got a lot of friends and online family here on SSV.. many would like to see the things I'm making or at least they say they would like me to post the some of the laser and cnc stuff. Yet I post some things and the negative nellies come out of the woodwork and talk trash about just pushing that button.. discrediting any skill it took for me to get that project made and the whole subject turns into a handmade versus machine made topic. Why would i keep doing that and feeling I have to defend that it's more than that. Easier to just step out.. some may have noticed I haven't been posting as much. Funny thing is I can show my friends on the laser and cnc sites my scroll saw projects and nobody gets all bent out of shape and says anything about it.. JT, I did do the craft shows in the mid 80's through the early 2000's but it wasn't my things I sold.. it was my fathers stuff I helped him sell so I have seen that movement as did Dad. Dad always said he couldn't compete with them but sold very well despite they were there. He never trash talked the laser / cnc but rather was amazed at the detail and what they could do with them machines. I think if he'd of had the money he'd have bought one and messed with it.. as Rolf said, just another tool and he is a tool junky just as my father was. JT, the original poster mentioned a dislike for the laser machines too so it's not just about you all the time.. Again..I never addressed YOU! Thing is in the "other woodworks" section you're supposed to be able to post "other woodworking projects" nobody trashes lathe work or any other forms of woodwork, but open up a can of worms posting a CNC or laser item.. that's the hatred those of us that do have and use these tools in our shops get.. It's you all that chase us out.. maybe rightfully so too. I don't know. Just seem pretty harsh when 40 years ago people ruined the minds of so many because of the competition they created.. Clearly anyone that says there is no skill or no hands on work when using these machines have no idea what they're talking about. Sorry for the rant and changing the subject of the topic at hand. I'm stepping out on this one. Photo of my most recent fraud made product. $30 upcharge to engrave and hand paint the text.. Sad that just because i used a machine to help enhance the product for the customer it throws the whole thing out the window as being handmade now

Actually JT you could do wonders with a laser, you say that pen turning is your main hobby, well with a laser they could be personaized, people would really like that, it is just another tool to your use with your turning talents, RJ

Bernd, you did it again. What a great cutting on a wonderful project. She will be well pleased.

My 7 year old grandson asked me to make him a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle portrait. I found an image combining all four including their weapons that i used for a segmentation pattern. If you're not familiar they are, left to right top to bottom, Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, and Raphael. Not sure how long they've been around but my son was a fan over 30 years ago.

Great idea!

Excellent work, RJ

That is a great picture. She will treasure it.

Awesome! She will be thrilled. Great job

Kevin here is the deal. Go back and look what I said in reply to the OP. All I said they were laser cut and that I think they look cheap and my final word was I hate lasers. I think everyone here knows I hate lasers because they came up before. Then you get on here and no one else mentioned anything about hating lasers and you went into this long diatribe about how you use lasers and because one does not use one knows nothing about it and this was all directed at me. No one else mentioned the hate for lasers. It is old timers who do not want to move into the future and all that stuff. I am not stupid Kevin. I know when I am the target of a reply. Yes I used a 3D image of an angel for displaying certain religious pens I make. They are called props. Not for sale. Run away again. It does not bother me one way or other. I try to add when I can but maybe it is time to move away from this site all together. being I do not do much scrolling any more anyway. Good luck with your lasers and scrollsaw work. Ray to answer your question you yelled at me for being negative one time before so I figured you would again.

Well said Kevin. But please don't leave the SSV. Your input is valuable to most all of us so don't let one person shut you down.

From someone that has a laser and uses it a lot.. I agree it was done on a laser.. I don't hate lasers nor the people that use them as hate is a pretty strong word.. I like lasers as they have a place in the woodwork and many other mediums and crafts. I do dislike the folks that use them and paun the products off as handmade.. Lasers can and do enhance scrolled work as well as many other types of work.. pretty hard to engrave with a scroll saw, LOL.. It's nice to take an existing scrolled product that is already made and be able to personalize it for an "upcharge" for those in the crafts selling scene. Many lasered products do look cheap, but that is just opinion and many people out there like the product at the price point they are offered at so people continue to make cheap looking items and try to compete with the cheap imported products you see at the box stores.. Just because it's a laser product doesn't mean it has to be cheap product.. there are people doing high end stuff with lasers, however the majority seem to make cheap crap with them. At the end of the day they are just another tool to add to and enhance my scrolled products much like any other tool such as routers and lathes.. Most the people that hate or dislike lasers only hate or dislike them because the people that started out using them years ago did paun off the stuff as handmade and they used the patterns and designs that was originally designed for handmade scrolled products.. Most nowadays don't know a darn thing about them and it's really easy to hand down that hate / dislike and give lasers a bad name and review when you've never set your hands on one and used it.. Like word of mouth goes on for years from oldtimers because of something that happened 40 years ago..

WoW Dick, couldn't ask for a better job than that. Beautiful piece of Mahogany, I don;t think I would even think of trying something like that. Just great.

I missed this originally, but I am in awe. Great execution on a great pattern and your usual attention to detail.

What an amazing piece. Well done for sure.

Almost a year ago I made 50 patterns: state symbols with borders for each state. Now I cut one of them - Ohio: 4 layers (3+background) 1/8 inch, project size is about 7,5 x 8 inches Video of making Ohio US state patterns

That would be awesome. I have a 53 year old autistic cousin who loves Scooby Doo. His name is Jason but he goes by Shaggy.

I also built a new shop -- mine in downstate NY. Well insulated, has a heat pump, but also has an exposed concrete floor (which I'm assuming acts like a heat vacuum). I've had various expensive disagreements with the heat pump over keeping the shop at a minimum temperature. I want 40-45, Fujitsu claims to have a minimum temp setting of 50, but if I don't perform the ritual sacrifices just right I end up with 60. In practice it's insulated well enough (spray foam) that it won't go below freezing except on really really cold days. That happens maybe once or twice a year. For that week or two I leave the heat pump at 60, but leave it off the rest of the year. I go to all that effort for basically the reason you gave -- I don't want to have to haul finishes and glues back and forth.

I am a transplant from upstate NY to NC. Even in NC we have numerous nights in the 20's. My two cents is unless you insulate your shop you are wasting your time and money. Also, you want to maintain a steady temperature when not in use. Raising the temp by 5-10 degrees is doable but not more. Remember metal, especially cast iron takes a lot longer to come up to room temperature.

I have a little wood shed that I scroll in. In the winter months I use a propane buddy heater to warm up the place. It is small so doesn't take too long to heat. I just go and turn it on then come back and have my coffee and what not for about an hour or so, really depends on how cold it is outside. When we hit negative 30-40 this last winter, I did not even bother to scroll. Like others, I bring all my glues inside. Our big shop is not heated either. We use a wood stove there and works fine for us.

I am in southern Pennsylvania and worked in an enclosed unheated pavilion for many years. I used a small propane heater when I was working in it. I never had a problem with rust or condensation on any of my tools, but I always stored my glues inside the house to keep them from freezing.

Kevin can afford a shop like that, but I could not afford the scraps cut out for the windows. He makes a bunch each year off of scrolling-- or he married into a bunch of money!. Maybe he makes it off his good looks. Either or whichever I do not have. But good on him!

Kevin, that's a nice shop, RJ

Before I was making enough money to heat the shop I just used a small space radiant type heater only when I was scrolling. Then I got a wood pellet stove and basically keep it running and the shop stays around 50.. I just run it on low but when working I'll crank it up during the day to around 60 - 65.. My shop is a little more than a small shed though as it's 24 x 32 downstairs and the gable type roof upstairs is all open and only insulation currently is in the roof upstairs part I have 4" R-32 foam sheet stuff that I got a great deal on.. LOL As for glues.. I do keep those inside and always have for the most part.. paints etc are fine out there but I ruined a new bottle of glue years ago and just habit to keep in the house. Photos of the shop when it was being built. Have 4 windows upstairs and 3 downstairs. Upstairs is mostly my storage of lumber, inventory, and the laser machines are up there.. downstairs I mostly try to keep one bay empty in case I need to pull a car inside to work on it etc.. Old 24 x 24 shop is used just for storage now with several hundred live edge slabs.. more lumber and the mowers and tractors etc.